Douglas Johnson wrote:
Tim Daneliuk wrote:

I vote that you admit that both Marxism and liberal/progressive politics
have a common cornerstone: The willingness to violate personal rights
and personal property in the name of the "greater good". Whether
we call it "the collective", "society at large", "the people", or
whatever the code words du jour are, this fact is inescapable.
You want to not be associated with Marxism? Quit supporting its
central tenet: That the group has a right to violate the individual.

Are you seriously arguing that conservative politics, as commonly practiced,
does not do the same? As far as I can see, the only difference is what rights
they wish to violate.
-- Doug

I am arguing no such thing. The so-called "conservatives" today are
just about as guilty as the the liberals of this kind of thing, simply
in other matters, as you point out. They only thing that redeems them
at all is at least they still argue for the protection of the
individual's money (however poorly their policies actually end up
doing that), whereas - as best as I can tell - the current crop of
liberals protects *nothing* of the individual's from the predations of
the state/collective. Well ... that's not quite true. Liberals love to
protect the imagined rights of foreign invaders, illegal aliens, and
almost anyone *not* a legitimate US citizen or resident.

It used to be you could count on the liberals to defend civil
liberties and the conservatives to work to limit the power and size of
government. Both have sold us out completely in this regard.



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