On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:25:18 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
wrote:

Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:55 pm, t wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:59:58 -0700, Mark & Juanita



wrote:
t wrote:
National Rasmussen Tracking Obama 50, McCain 45 Obama +5
National Reuters/C-Span/Zogby Tracking Obama 49, McCain 43 Obama +6
National Hotline/FD Tracking Obama 48, McCain 42 Obama +6
National Gallup Tracking (Traditional)* Obama 51, McCain 45 Obama +6
National Gallup Tracking (Expanded)* Obama 53, McCain 43 Obama +10
National LA Times/Bloomberg Obama 50, McCain 41 Obama +9
National CBS News/NY Times Obama 53, McCain 39 Obama +14
Gee, you left off Zogby
Given the full court press for Obama by the press, is this any surprise?
Also, how much of this is attempting to shape opinion vs. measure it.
If the polls are right, your side is going to win, we are all going to get
to watch as the nation goes socialist. Hope that in 5 years you are all
happy with that which you have supported.
If you had read carefully, you would have seen Zogby in line two.

I'm still concerned about the Bradley problem. I wonder how many
points that is worth.

I suspect that you don't have a working definition of Socialism.

tom watson

I own a small business in Michigan. They are all looking bug-eyed at
the government for some kind of help.

Is that socialism?

yes


You know, Tim, perhaps I am manacled by my training but I was taught
to insist on a definition of terms as a precedent to the beginning of
an argument. You have often declined to present definitions for any
of the terms that you lob about like broken hand grenades.

If you are a serious man with serious intent, you must come to grips
with the definition of that which you fear. It is not enough to use a
term as a cudgel without shedding light on its elements.

Words like Socialism, Collectivism, etc. need to be unpacked before
any rational dialogue can occur.

In your discipline you may not be used to any kind of linguistic
analysis but it is coin of the realm in the arena of serious political
debate.

Try to come to a definition of one of your terms as a sort of personal
exercise. It has a wonderful capacity to focus the mind.



tom watson