On Oct 1, 11:08*am, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:33:44 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Oct 1, 7:00*am, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:24:39 -0700 (PDT), ransley

wrote:
On Sep 30, 11:57*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:02:04 GMT, aemeijers wrote:
Solar -electric- point of use, probably won't be cost-effective any
time soon. The big moneymaker is passive solar, designed into the house.
South-facing window wall, Correctly-sized overhangs and plantings for
the part of the year when you want shade, heat mass storage, planned
airflow that can be altered to suit the season, yada yada yada. *That
plus modern insulation and energy-efficient appliances and lighting
(including as much natural light as possible), can reduce the energy
requirements a lot cheaper than providing more grid or solar electricity
would cost.

The big active winner is water heating, either the pool heater or the
domestic hot water.

I am amused this idiot who spends 600$ a *month cant figure out he
needs to upgrade everything and thinks 600 *month is normal I paid 38
last month in a harder area in a larger house

When Ransley is in a position to call someone an idiot, it's time for
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It would at least be a good idea to find out what the guy's cost per
KWH for electricity is. * Otherwise, you're comparing apples and
oranges with a $600 electric bill, particularly since the poster said
a similar house in a community served by another electric company
would be $200.

It would be a better idea to understand that it makes far more sense
to do an energy audit before doing anything else. Installing Solar
Panels is far down the list. Pick the easy low hanging fruit first,
before reaching for the one or two apples that require a cherrypicker
to reach.

I live where electricity is very expensive, and a $600 bill would be
unusual in a house less than 5000 square feet.

For that matter, geo-thermal heating and cooling generally has a much
faster ROI than photovoltaic.

If all you are looking at is cost, you do the cheapest stuff first.
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my neighbor leaves his outside lights on all day, im sure his bill is
600 a month, but mine is 600 a year and when its warm the AC is on, to
pay 7200 a year to me shows someone who doesnt care about money