On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:17:38 +0100, wrote:

I have a Freesat From Sky card and when I remove it Ch5 is the one I
can't get .Ch4 IS available .

Oooo, wanders over to Sky box, tunes to Ch4 (104) and pulls card.
Continues to decode, Wh-hooo!.

*BUT* you still need the card if you have enabled parental access and the
programme being broadcast needs the PIN to view, like Lord of the Rings
that is on ATM. I guess if you disable parental access it won't need to
ask for the PIN and thus not need a card...

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Cheers
Dave.