"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Hawke" wrote in message
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That's categorically different from the libertarian program as it
stands
today. Libertarianism, as an intellectual conservative would
define it, is a
form of radicalism (and intellectual conservatives recognize that
their opposites are radicals, not liberals). When Stuart says you
need an agreement on some fundamental principles to avoid chaos,
he's surely talking
about some things that are not part of the Libertarian platform,
because
those things aren't there. In fact, he's almost certainly talking
about the
kinds of principle upon which conservatism is founded, as
explained in detail by Edmund Burke.

I can tell that I don't have the historical or political depth of
information that you do, Ed, so I'll just bow out here.

I think I got carried away. I'll relax now. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress


Hey, way to go Ed. You sat on a Libertarian and made him give, you
bully. I
think that's a first. The fact that he agreed to bow to your logic
was a real triumph. Usually when you give a Libertarian/Conservative
a thumping by
argument all they do is go away mad, start a fight, or call you some
names,
like Gunner would. You also nailed Libertarianism. It's not
realistic. It's
for complainers. They don't like the way things are now; with that
we can all agree. But instead of coming up with real and feasible
ways of making concrete changes all they can come up with is to
throw out the baby with the
bath water. But that explains why that party will never be anything
more than a blip on the radar. As long as it can't come up with real
alternatives
to the status quo that might actually work it'll stay irrelevant.
However, as Americans we all have at least some measure of
Libertarian in us though it may be really, really small.

Hawke

Now, don't get carried away. The impulse behind libertarianism is a
perfectly good one. It's the thought that's lacking.

Thoughtless impulse is an apt description of Libertarians. It also applies
to teenagers.

--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

Yes John it is the result of the careful thinking of the Republicans and
Democrats that have led us to the world of deficit spending and debts to
China we probably will never pay without devaluing the dollar. Yes the
thoughtful thinking that had us in Viet Nam and now in Iraq and though we
are setting on large oil reserves captives of OPEC. We have governmental
incompetencies to rival just about anything I've ever heard of. Ed seems
to favor the dictatorship where we don't use a code of ethics or are guided
by principles or a working philosophy. He seems to prefer a government run
on the basis of "Attitudes". I have a hard time deciding whether the
current ill defined attitudes are something that I support. He also seems
to think that we either are moving in a positive direction or that somehow
magically we will return to some some more sensible, stable, and productivie
society. This in spite of the downward spiral in our history. You would
have thought that with this great group of thinkers that deny the
libertarians membership, we could have avoided much of the current problems.
The Iraq farce was forecast by a large number of "ignored" non-thinkers.
Thoughtless impulse seems to describe one our Democrat Presidents as much as
any Libertarian that I know of.

Stu