"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:39:00 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:21:25 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


Well I have a simple solution. Good guys kill bad guys or just pose a
credible threat so bad guys start thinking crime doesn't pay. As it
is,
the
worst areas have unarmed citizens in them.

'Sounds like you believe that they think like you do. But they're
criminals
and you're not, so, by definition, they don't.

Most use of guns in crimes is criminals brandishing, threatening, or
shooting other criminals -- convicted felons, in most cases. The number
of
gun-related crimes committed against lawful citizens actually is a very
small percentage of crimes committed with guns, Wes. Since criminals may
be
carrying illegally as it is (the ones committing the crimes with guns
certainly are), it doesn't appear that the "credible threats" have much
effect.

Right! Most homicides seem to be gangsta's killing gangsta's though
there are sometimes collateral casualties.

I'd prefer "deterrent" to "credible threat". Predators look for easy
prey. See prolific writings by Massad Ayoob if you want cites.
Becoming a gunsel reduces one to the level of the criminal scumbags.
Killing must be a last resort for responsible citizens. It is not a
solution in general and is quite rarely a necessity in particular.
That said, peaceful citizens able to defend themselves are less easy
prey and we must retain the right to not be easy prey.


One should not forget the "halo" effect either of an area with many
legally armed citizens.

The bad guys are unable to determine who is carrying, so tend to find
other crimes to commit that dont involve direct contact with their
victims.

some years ago, Detroit had a very large and growing rape rate.
The chief of police at that time, offered free firearms training and
safety classes to women, and many hundreds took advantage to take
them.
The newspapers and media carried the story in depth about how many
women were now trained in use of firearms, and they were buying guns
to keep at home.

The rate of rapes in homes dropped like an anvil down the well.

The rape rate outside the home rose nearly an equal amount.

See..Michigan didnt have much of a CCW process and it was nearly
impossible for a woman to get one.

This is the same reason armed robberies dropped like a stone in
Florida after they started their CCW issuing. However it DID go up a
significantly large amount amoung tourists driving rental cars.
Criminals realized that those people would be unlikely to be armed.

It got so bad that they removed the car rental decals from rental
cars, to make it harder for the criminals to profile a helpless victim

I got a ticket down in San Diego, a rental car. No registration anymore,
cause its was easier to drive the rental into mexico, re-register
everything, as its on the registration....

$353 for speeding, I made up for it in
northern california... get my speeding fix!!

Thats what the cop said anyway...

xman

Then armed robberies again dropped like a rock.

If you are a criminal, and you know your area has many many
outstanding CCW weapons carriers..are you willig to tae the chance
youcan pick them out in a crowd of potential victims?

Gunner

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean
end.