On Apr 10, 12:06*am, Richard J Kinch wrote:
Richard J Kinch writes:
So it's made quite a few thermodynamic trips ALL AT YOUR EXPENSE.

And I should add, that the later trips are not even measured by the government
tricked-up efficiency numbers.

"Energy Star" and government refrigerator efficiency numbers are bogus.
They measure empty freezers when most of the cost of running a
freezer is making (and unmaking) ice. *

Do you have anything to substantiate that most of the cost of running
a freezer is the ice? I understand that ice in the freezer will
sublimate and that's a factor. I don't know how fast that happens in
your refrigerator, but in mine it's a fairly slow process. It's not
like it's making a new bucket of ice every day. If I leave the ice
maker arm up so it's off and don't use the ice, there is still plenty
left after a month.

I do agree it would seem more reasonable to have the refrigerators and
freezers loaded as opposed to empty. This does seem odd, unless they
did testing and found there was no significant difference.


They don't measure the cost of
air-conditioning to remove the heat your refrigerator generates inside
your house (or conversely the value of that heat when you're heating).

I think it's unreasonable for them to factor in what are clearly
second order effects.



The dollar numbers are based on fantasy prices for electricity. *It's
just a huge joke of technical boob-bait designed to sell appliances
you don't really need.

The energy star calculator at their website let's you put in your own
cost of electricity.




Just read the test methods if you don't believe this.

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...l=/ecfrbrowse/....

See "Appendix A1 to Subpart B of Part 430, Uniform Test Method for
Measuring the Energy Consumption of Electric Refrigerators and
Electric Refrigerator-Freezers"

No ice making.

No opening/closing doors.

I would agree that should be factored into the test scenario and seems
a major problem, as that is one thing I think we can all agree on as a
major loss of energy.



Empty freezer.

Puh-leeze.


On the other hand, we have ransely who actually has an new unit with a
killowatt meter on it and he says it uses a lot less electricity.