On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:24:17 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:48:29 -0700, Gunner
wrote:
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I work with illegals everyday. And to a man (or woman) they came here
because of the money.

They come to Unitos Estatas for the big bucks.
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Thanks for the perspective, insight and reminder.

My main contact with Latino immigrants has been with wait staff
and small business owners, and this group may well be
self-selected socio-economic/political refugees.

Very well might be. And do NOT count Cubanos as Latinos. They are a
totally seperate culture all together.

As in many things, it appears that we do not have an
"immigration" problem, but immigration problem*s* in the US, with
many different causes, and many different (possibly overlapping)
immigrant groups.

This would help explain the total lack of progress and extreme
divisiveness the "immigration" issue is having in that one
section of society is observing/analyzing immigration
problem/immigrant group (A), and another section of society is
observing/analyzing immigration problem / immigrant group (X).

A fundamental problem appears to be that actions/activities that
reduces the motivation/need for one immigrant group to come to
the United States may well exacerbate and amplify the
motivation/need for other immigrant groups. For example,
increasing the employment opportunities in the home countries of
the individuals in United States because of the opportunity to
make money, possibly through large scale industrialization for
export products to the US, may further destabilize the home
countries existing economy/political society for the displaced
small farmers and shopkeepers. Political/police measures
taken/required to "pacify" a country to attract international
investment need for "industrialization" may well increase the
number of political refugees.

This is another area where unbiased and critical study is
urgently required if any meaningful action/gain is to be
realized, and precise definition of terms is required for
meaningful discussion.

Frankly..most of their home countries are controlled by small groups
of people who own nearly everything, either directly or via proxy

Mexico has MORE natural resources than the USA, yet its controlled by
the 7 Families, and enjoys one of the worst crime rates and lowest
standards of living on the NA continent.
A lot of those we see in California, are marginally literate, and are
fresh from rural villages. Its odd to see signs in bathrooms in
spanish, commanding that when you wipe your ass, you toss the ****
covered TP in the toilet and flush it down, rather than toss it into a
garbage can. Yet its pretty much a requirement in places that use
newer labor. Culture shock sometimes goes the other way.....

Gunner



Unka' George [George McDuffee]
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must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

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Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).