On Mar 18, 10:28*pm, "Phil Kangas" wrote:
"Half-Nutz" wrote in messageOn Mar 17, 11:14 am,

*"Phil Kangas" wrote:

Yah, this guy claims to have invented a new form of
generator and claims it is not a perpetual motion
device! I'm a skeptic but here is the link so you
can decide for yourself. I'm going to keep my wallet
in my pocket......phil

http://www.nullgrav.com/index.htm

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This looks to be a variation of the Farady Disk generator.
This was discovered, and promptly ignored, about 150 years
ago.

It is a very strange phenomenon, and easy to really get
tangled up in
the implications of it.

Basically, all common generators, and motors, use a rotor
and a
stator. The electrical load currents will create an opposing
magnetic
force between the rotor and the stator.
That is why a genreator takes more power as you load it
heavier.

The Farady Disk, aka homopolar generator, aka acyclical
generator, aka
space machine etc. does not have a rotor, and a stator. Only
a rotor.
That's right, only a rotor. The whole things works
"sideways" to how
you always thought a generator should work.
It is Very confusing to think about, since adding a load to
the
generator cannot create a torque reaction in the
conventional way we
all understand generators to work. Note 1.

So, many experimentors start thinking, that if we build it,
and spin
it up, we can add a load to it, and it won't take power to
keep it
spinning, since it won't react against the motor driving it.

Experiments show anomolous results, and building a model to
play with
is truely trivial.
I challenge any of you to build a model to prove that it IS
confusing
to think about.

Here is a simple experiment to try..http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/farhom.htm

Here is a test result of the Sunburst Machine.

http://www.rexresearch.com/kinchelo/kinche~1.htm

This nullgrav machine looks very much like a variation of
the Farady
disk experiment.

And to illustrate just how confusing this sort of thing can
be...
Here is a lab demonstration from MIT, that *WILL blow your
mind, if
you follow it, and all of it's implication. It blows
Kirchoff right
out of the water. ..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eqjl-qRy71w

Watch both parts of this demo. Prof. Levin is really
amazing.... Look
for the rest of his lectures.

Have Fun. !!

Note 1.
The operation of the device can lead you to believe that a
magnet
cannot "produce" a magnetic field, but can only distort the
magnetic
field lines inherent on space itself.
If a magnet did produced a magnetic field, than rotating a
magnet, and
a conductor together could not produce any net electrical
generation.
However, if the magnet is distorting the feild lines of the
surrounding space, then a moving conductor (which is not
moving
relative to the magnet) can produce an electric field.

I don't beleive in "Perpetual Commotion" But, here is a
wonderful trap
for the unwary to fall in to, and in all honesty be
completley
befuddled.
Be sure and wathc the MIT video. It's is one of the greatest
electrical demonstrations I've ever seen.

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Thanks for the explanation, half-nutz. I'll bet the dude in
question fell
into that trap........and we learned something too!
phil

Phil,

It is not clear what is going on with that type of device.
The evaluation of the Sunburst machine did have some faily confusing
results, as to weather or not they were measuring excessive power
compared to the input.

- IF - this is some sort of way to harness some sort of overlooked
source of energy, then the controversy surrounding it keeps anybody
from looking into it, and not getting thrown out of the mainstream
community.
Bruce DePalma was a prof. at MIT, and left after he got controversial
results from his experiments with gyroscopes.
Eric Laithwaite, who invented the Maglev train, was thown out of the
scientific community once he started doing experiments on gyroscopes,
along a similar line.

I once met the machinist that built the machine for Bruce DePalma. He
was Convinced that Bruce was killed for working on it.

This whole line of experiments might yield some interesting results,
but since the results are "anomolous" to mainstream thinking, no one
dares to look into it.


I am reminded of the Hall effect, Hall himself dismised it as being of
no interest, since the effect was so weak. And here we are, many years
later, using millions of Hall Effect switches and sensors.
The enabler to utilize what seemed like a discovery of little
consequence, was the later invention of electronic op amps, many years
later.
So, sometimes we get important results from something that mainstream
thinking will throw away. It is not always immediately usefull, but
any crazy phenomonon should be looked into a little farther,
typically.


So, this controversial "sideways" motor/generator might be revealing
something very important to us, but no one dares to look into it.
A shame, really.