On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 04:31:20 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote in message
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:36:53 -0500, default
wrote:
[snip]
...the administration
will spin it that way in order to justify taking away the bill of
rights). This is hardly more than civil disobedience with a little
bit of property damage.
For those of you slow of wit, I have posted the original FISA...
I case you haven't been keeping track of the news living out there in
the desert, FISA is pretty much a non issue as far as the
administration is concerned.
Until recently, they have been free to bug as they saw fit and, at the
suggestion by (the Democratic) congress that they simply comply with
FISA and get the requisite warrants, Bush had a hissy fit.
Because they aren't domestic calls, and in many cases both parties are
outside the country and the calls are routed through our network, so FISA
isn't supposed to apply, and was never meant to apply to such cases by the
pre-packet-network lawmakers who wrote it.
The propaganda keeps mentioning overseas phone calls and Internet
traffic, but what the administration was doing was monitoring anyone
domestic or overseas and installing telco switches, splitters and
routers to send everything to the NSA - all without a FISA court
involvement
You don't need a warrant to physically search somebody physically crossing
the border. It's stupid to think a phone call is entitled to more rights
than a physical person.
Phone calls were considered protected speech and free from government
scrutiny by Supreme Court ruling back during the dawn of the
telephone. The ruling was based on the Fourth Amendment to the
Constitution to wit: The right of the people to be secure in their
persons, houses, PAPERS AND EFFECTS. They ruled that if papers are
covered phone calls are also covered, and that has been the law for
near 70 years.
You may also be interested to know that George Bush has put forth an
executive order giving him permission to inspect any or all mail -
something else considered sacred under the fourth amendment.
And warrants usually take longer to get than the duration of a phone call,
BTW.
A warrant may take longer than the duration of a phone call, but
presumably the alphabet agency that wants to monitor the call in the
first place, has some evidentiary reason for doing so.
Bush's plan is to gather up every domestic phone call and let
computers sift through them listening for key words, and record and
store conversations that meet certain criteria. At some future date
if you come to the attention to some police department, for instance,
they can go back to a database and retrieve a dossier on every citizen
- how complete it is will depend on something you may have written or
spoken at one time or another.
Carnivore, Total Informational Awareness, ring any bells? All
banking, telephone, credit card, fast pass toll lane stickers, etc.,
is already being recorded in some cities.
We already saw the results of the legalistic methods of the Clinton
administration. Bush's opposition pretends we don't have experience with
that approach. It's really dishonest how they avoid acknowledging that,
instead of at least making a futile effort to argue that it was a success.
Bush is an idiot and virtual dictator and Clinton was smart and an
idiot. In every case of terrorism the agencies of the government
already had warnings and ignored them. Neither party has any good
answers to any of the problems, they only want to get wealthy at the
taxpayers expense.
Do you think any of the bureaucrats are effective? Michael Chertoff
sound like he knows what he's doing to you? Have you even watched him
on CSPAN? How about the FAA? There holding hearings now - one plane
crashes and they find that two other unexplained crashes were probably
related to the one that crashed - and that the airlines were 2-5 years
behind in their inspections.
Government already has the "tools" to do what it is charged with - the
problems all stem from failures within the bureaucracies that should
be/have been carrying out the surveillance and inspections. The new
powers they demand are to switch blame from themselves and will prove
dangerous to all our freedoms as the government gets more powerful and
authoritarian.
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