"Hawke" wrote in message
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How do you figure that? Where is the personal attack? I added up the
cases
where the guy was wrong and where I have contrary facts from other
sources
and deduced that if you follow someone who has a bad track record, then
you
will too. Nothing ad hominem there at all. You better get out your
logic
primer again. Unless you're constructing a straw man.

If you have contrary facts from other sources, then the fact that it's
Rove
isn't relevant. But you didn't say that in previous posts. You simply
said
that you thought Rove wasn't credible.

He's not. If you make predictions and they don't pan out people stop
listening to you. That makes perfect sense. Bush and the Treasury sec.
continue to say the fundamentals of the economy are strong. No they are
not.
Rove says staying in Iraq is a smart thing to do. No it's not. These
republicans have lost their credibility by being consistently wrong. If
you
continue to listen to their advice then you deserve whatever you get. Most
of us know when a dog don't hunt. I'm going to have to exclude you in that
regard.



If you attack Rove's claim because it's Rove, you're "arguing to the
man."
That's ad hominem. Ad hominem does have a bit of a bad rap, because we do
make judgments based on the general reliability of the source. But
discounting an argument *because* it comes from someone in particular,
arguing with the source rather than with the facts, is ad hominem
argument,
nonetheless.

Resorting to technicalities of logic when you're trying to make a weak
point
won't win you any debates. If every man's word is worth the same then no
one
knows more than anyone else. We all know that Bush's word isn't to be
believed. I'm not too sure you believe that though. If you don't disregard
a
man's word when he's wrong time and time again that just makes you a fool,
and I don't care if that is ad hominem or not because it's true. If you
don't disbelieve someone because of who it is then you'd buy snake oil
that
doesn't work from the same seller over and over again. I guess I'm just
different from you. If I can't trust someone because they have told me
things that were wrong on numerous occasions I stop listening to them.
Apparently, you continue giving people credit even when you know they are
wrong all the time. I guess it takes all kinds. Maybe you're one of the
people Lincoln was talking about when he said some people can be fooled
all
the time.

Pfffhhhht.

--
Ed Huntress