Inger E Johansson wrote:

Seppo,
Floyd asked why I am posting. Had he read and comprehended the article, he
would have had hard not realising the impact that have in the light of King
Hakon's warfleet mentioned by Olaus Magnus and the maps we discussed re. the
Northwest Passage, then he needn't be so surprised. Now he missed more than
usual or forgotten that one needs to look at all cards in the opponents hand
not only those one believe him or her to have. Thus he doesn't know what
this will lead to in the long run.

Inger E

Inger,

Not only are you abusing Floyd yourself, but you are abusing
him because you replied to Seppo's abuse without telling him to
stop it.

Tom McDonald

"Seppo Renfors" skrev i meddelandet
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"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote:

Seppo Renfors wrote:

"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote:

plane. What would Inuit do with one of them?

What would they do with one???? Plane wood. What else?


Ahhh.... now a ships rivet and chain-mail, I can understand.....

they

are JEWELLERY :-)

Maybe to *you*. They would have been "raw material" to an
Eskimo during that time period. Useful for making tools...

First of all you are not able to recognise levity even when a smiley
is used. Further to that YOU have NO IDEA what they used them for.

The fact is that yes I do have a very good idea of exactly what
they used them for.

Aha.... and THAT is an outright LIE - this is why:


"All we know is that at least one "carpenter's plane" ended up in
the possession of Inuit people in Canada. Speculation about how
it got there is fine, but making assumptions about how it
*couldn't* have happened in ways that clearly *are* possible, is
absurd."

That passage makes it clear YOU ADMIT YOU DON'T KNOW with the "all we
know...." part. It includes how it got there or why, as well as what
it was used for.


And neither you nor Inger has even a hint.

Unlike you - I don't make stupid claims about them either.


None what ever, and therefor cannot scoff and sneer at ANY suggested
use. Therefor YOU cannot be taken seriously. Further to that I haven't

Well it is an interesting concept coming from you that somebody
who doesn't know anything about what something would be used for
shouldn't be taken seriously.

There we are MORE blatant LIES n- and that is despite you having been
informed what a smiliey is about!! So despite that you LIE in the face
of evidence to the contrary =- now how stupid is that, eh?


Why are *you* posting?

Oh, are you delusional as well, and believe yourself to be some kind
of Net Nazi too - being able to order who can and can't post here?


Why is Inger posting?

...and why not?


Both of you should be *asking* what the meaning
of it is, not trying to tell others.

From you, who prefers fabrications in favour of facts..... one who
doesn't have more than a primary school grasp of the language! Get
real will you!


heard anything so absurd as suggesting "chain mail" being used "for
making tools"!!

Your lack of ingenuity did not limit what they may have used it
for.

I see.... and that was the very best you could come up with....
didn't think you had any idea whatsoever.

I thought someone here at an early stage spoke of the lack of wood

in the

Arctic area, Greenland included.....

Sure but then deer antlers and the like can be shaped with steel
knives, axe etc - not so good with a plane.

What is this "lack of wood" business?

You are quoting... who exactly and from where? Are you saying there
were forests on Greenland - Ellesmere Island in particular?

You still haven't caught on that wood floats? And wind blows...

Does it? Have you ever seen a log of teak float, hmmm? No? Well,
neither has anyone else - and teak IS a wood, you know. In any event
who cares about the odd log or two - or a branch of a tree.

They've been building skin boats in the Arctic for at least a
few thousand years... with wood frames.

The "arctic" wasn't referred to - but GREENLAND was. There were no
trees on Greenland at the relevant time.

Each and every one of them with a wood frame.

Bull****! First of all provide some proof that boat building (using
WOOD) occurred on Greenland AND that is has been done "for at least
a few thousand years". You can't, can you.

Go do some very basic research on Inuit culture.

I asked for EVIDENCE of BOAT BUILDING - not culture. It is up to you
to prove your claims.


In particular
the difference between Dorset and Thule technology. Among other
differences is the increased importance of wood framed skin
boats. In Greenland, look for the different uses of an umiaq
and a kayaq compared to other Inuit cultures. Of course the first
thing you'll discover is that, indeed, *all* of those skin boats
used wood frames!

I'll do no such thing. YOU made the claim, YOU prove it. I'm aware of
skin boats using whale bones. Nor do I discount boats using the odd
bit of wood - but I REJECT totally your claim of making boats out of
WOOD - which you now try and obfuscate with a lot of snake oil about
SKIN BOATS - not "wooden boats"!

Here's a quote you'll just love (emphasis added for your
benefit):


[snip mess]

http://www.mun.ca/rels/morav/texts/ungava/chapter8.html

What sort of crap is that? There is NIL evidence there of any boat
building at the relevant time - not a WORD!! The word "build" doesn't
exist in the whole text. Nor does "wooden boat" but this does, "Our
skin-boat" - note that SKIN boat.


And while ships nails and chain mail
might have been seen as simply raw material that could be used
to manufacture useful tools, a carpenter's plane would have been
seen for exactly what it was, a tool of considerable value.

So, where is your evidence of your claims? Please tell us all what
"tool" one can make out of a small piece of chain mail.

A carpenters plane isn't a TRADE GOODS for the several simple reasons.

Only due to lack of imagination on your part.

Go learn the language!


But the evidence is pretty clear that at least one such item did
end up with Inuit people. Somewhere between being made by a
Norwegian and coming into its current ownership, it traded hands.
We can speculate on how many times... but once is all it takes.


- It was an essential tool for any ship's carpenter on a ship.
- The steel blade may have been of use as a knife or axe, but then why
not trade those - or any piece of scrap steel?

**** happens. The Master's watch might get traded too!

Go learn English! No point dealing with any more till you do!

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