"Inger E Johansson" wrote in message
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Floyd L,
you don't know anything about who had or who hadn't carpenter's plane
before
1500. Yes the house dates to 1163-1435 AD (680 +100 BP calibrated).
The carpenters plane is a common tool known throughout the ancient world
in a form virtually unchanged from the toolkits of the ancient Egyptians,
Greeks, Phoenicians, Romans, Persians, and Europeans to the modern day.
http://www.toolbazaar.co.uk/gallery/tbgallery.htm
http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/M...ory_Code=TC&Sc
reen=CTGY
It was a trade good and is found along with axes, hammers, hoes, rakes,
chisels, gouges, adzes, and weapons like spears, arrows and swords
in ancient wrecks that go back to the bronze age.
You can still buy wooden planes made with bronze fittings adjusted
with wooden wedges. In terms of whether there is evidence of
American Indians using them,
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeol...tagapoint.html
"The tool assemblage which was deposited at Petaga Point during the Archaic
Period consists of hammered copper implements (conical points, an ulu knife,
round and square awls) and a range of stone artifacts, including large
stemmed points, eared side-notched points, rectangular side scrapers,
asymmetrical stemmed knives and large conchoidal flake choppers. Other
possible constituents of the pre-ceramic assemblage are irregular stone end
scrapers and engravers, small pointed knives and ungrooved hammerstones."
Anyone who has used a scraper knows a plane would be recognized as
a betterment and quickly adopted to serve the same purpose. Tools like
chisels, gouges, adzes, saws, planes, hammers and axes are found made
of stone, iron, and steel but generally not copper or bronze except in the
Old Copper Culture of Mn. After Europeans arrived copper
and bronze are more commonly used in the east.
In Scandinavia you wouldn't find a carpenter's plane owned by everyone,
not
even expect to have one for each man in a family.
I expect most men in most cultures that built anything of wood would have
had hammers, saws, chisels, awls and planes as a part of their basic tools.
You better learn a bit more about what tools that were common and what
wasn't...
Can you name a culture where woodworking tools were not as common
as say wooden furniture? Tables, chests, chairs, benches, tubs, barrels,
boxes, doors, windows, looms, and boats all required planes to build as
did a lot of other artifacts common to most cultures.
Inger E
regards,
steve
Your comments are funny.
So funny that is' not worth doing anything but laughing.
"Floyd L. Davidson" skrev i meddelandet
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"Inger E Johansson" wrote:
Floyd L,
you must be joking. Of course a wood carpenter's plane isn't a
trade-item
at
all in trades between Greenlanders and Inuits. Would be good if you
read
the
full article in the book I refered to as a starter instead of joking.
Inger E
First, I don't have access to the full article in the book you
read. Regardless, it the article defines or causes others to
think in terms of rivets and chain-mail as "jewelary", it can't
be taken too seriously.
Second, what you've stated is either predicated on a narrow
definition of "trade goods" (and there is no indication in the
context of the below discussion which suggests that is the case)
or you believe (as the context indicates) that Inuit culture had
no wood to work with and/or no use for a wood plane.
I don't buy either of those.
Inuit culture was always very technology oriented, and one of
the reasons they survived so well was because they would adapt
to any superior technology that became available. When European
technology first appeared in the Arctic, the parts that were
superior were very quickly adopted and adapted by all Eskimos,
Inuit included. (Unfortunately, Europeans were extremely slow
to adopt superior technology from Eskimo cultures, or any Native
cultures for that matter, and suffered needlessly because of it.
In the Arctic that was particularly true.)
A carpenter's plane, just as with *all* steel or iron cutting
tools, would have almost instantly become a desired trade item.
"Floyd L. Davidson" skrev i meddelandet
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Seppo Renfors wrote:
Inger E Johansson wrote:
of musk ox and a carpenter's special tool - a wood carpenter's
plane(McCullough 1989, pl 73).....
typical trade items don't you agree? :-)
I certainly would agree.
A knife, machete or axe would be "trade goods" - but not a
carpenters
plane. What would Inuit do with one of them?
What would they do with one???? Plane wood. What else?
Ahhh.... now a ships rivet and chain-mail, I can understand.....
they
are JEWELLERY :-)
Maybe to *you*. They would have been "raw material" to an
Eskimo during that time period. Useful for making tools...
I thought someone here at an early stage spoke of the lack of wood
in the
Arctic area, Greenland included.....
Sure but then deer antlers and the like can be shaped with steel
knives, axe etc - not so good with a plane.
What is this "lack of wood" business?
They've been building skin boats in the Arctic for at least a
few thousand years... with wood frames. Each and every one of
them with a wood frame. And while ships nails and chain mail
might have been seen as simply raw material that could be used
to manufacture useful tools, a carpenter's plane would have been
seen for exactly what it was, a tool of considerable value.
You all ever heard of drift wood?
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FloydL. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)