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Fantasy?

Hellooo, what 'chew smokin' boy? We're not an agricultural
society any more. Things changed after WWI. Weapons were
mechanical and we needed soldiers who could read the damn
manuals. Before WWI, most people were lucky to finish the
eighth grade, which was fine for plowing fields, tossin' hay, and building fences. Done any DNA analysis
with electrophoresis lately? Uh-huh. In the 19th century high schools and Colleges were rich folks
prerogatives. These days you need a PhD. just to assure your self a slot on the day shift.

Heh! I have a 5th grade math textbook, published in 1905.
I've also got two degrees in mathematics and I'm
hard-pressed to solve some of the problems (and it's not
just because the problems involve rods, pecks, and mules).
The former president of Boston College was asked what
single thing could be done to improve the quality of
education in this coutry? His answer: "Close the colleges
of education."

It's almost criminal that no single, living, Nobel Laureate
is legally permitted to teach in the public schools of my
state (and probably yours); Nor can a retired engineer,
nurse, physician do so either. No Pulitzer Prize winner is
permitted to teach middle-school English. I could go on and
on, but you get the idea:

The inmates are in charge of the asylum.

Wanna feel better about the 'Merican educational system?
Check out the Nobel prizes in science for the Twentieth
Century awarded to Americans. Not too shabby. Explains why
scientists who want to be cutting edge, make sure to attend
American universities. We aren't worse. We are different.
Primary and secondary have problems but not the Universities,

Universities are having to allot more and more budget to
remedial math and reading skills to their freshman because of
the primary and secondary problems. This increases the cost of
tuition overall, ultimately increasing the difficulty of students paying for their education. This will
continue to be a problem as long as......

except turf wars over budgets, idiots trying to finger anti-zionists and, creation science.

.....people pretend the problems in the government schools all
have to do with the fact that .1% of the population has a "thing" about creation science (completely ignoring
the fact that evolution is barely touched on in any HS class outside of AP Biology.

We're quite good at taking properly prepared students and
turning them into Nobel Prize Winners. Underline "properly
prepared." If the children aren't properly prepared, there's
not much that can be done with them.

Bull****, the deficiencys can be fixed with any brats that will benefit from a university education.

Interesting theory,

Then feel free to do so.

If those individuals can be taught that stuff in secondary
school, they can obviously be taught it in a university instead.

Perhaps.

No perhaps about it, obviously that is possible.

And if if that granted, at what cost to the rest of society?

None.

Huge,

Nope.

and you can see it on the financial statements of the universities,

No you cant.

who have been not shy about raising the issue.

Academics have been doing that for more than
half a century now and presumably before that too.

If you're not willing to see that, you're obviously not an educator

Guess who just got egg all over his face, very comprehensively indeed ?

nor well versed on the matter,

Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

and not qualified to speak on the subject,

You get no say what so ever on that or anything else at all, ever.

In fact you can make a case that it makes more sense for universitys to be teaching the stuff they decide that they
need to teach those who attend universitys than
having the secondary schools teach it to everyone, including those who arent going to attend a university.

You cant ignore that, it aint gunna go away.

(It would be better if we got what we thought we were paying for at the secondary level.)

Not necessarily, see above.

Just out of curiosity -- why are you defending the failure of the secondary schools?

I'm not. Just rubbing your nose in the fact that your claim that "If the children aren't
properly prepared, there's not much that can be done with them" is just plain wrong.

JG (SO! looking forward to the answer to THAT question......?)

Your problem.