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Fantasy?

Hellooo, what 'chew smokin' boy? We're not an agricultural
society any more. Things changed after WWI. Weapons were
mechanical and we needed soldiers who could read the damn
manuals. Before WWI, most people were lucky to finish the
eighth grade, which was fine for plowing fields, tossin' hay,
and building fences. Done any DNA analysis with
electrophoresis lately? Uh-huh. In the 19th century high
schools and Colleges were rich folks prerogatives. These
days you need a PhD. just to assure your self a slot on the
day shift.

Heh! I have a 5th grade math textbook, published in 1905.
I've also got two degrees in mathematics and I'm hard-pressed
to solve some of the problems (and it's not just because the
problems involve rods, pecks, and mules). The former
president of Boston College was asked what single thing could
be done to improve the quality of education in this coutry?
His answer: "Close the colleges of education."

It's almost criminal that no single, living, Nobel Laureate is
legally permitted to teach in the public schools of my state
(and probably yours); Nor can a retired engineer, nurse,
physician do so either. No Pulitzer Prize winner is permitted
to teach middle-school English. I could go on and on, but you
get the idea:

The inmates are in charge of the asylum.

Wanna feel better about the 'Merican educational system? Check
out the Nobel prizes in science for the Twentieth Century
awarded to Americans. Not too shabby. Explains why scientists
who want to be cutting edge, make sure to attend American
universities. We aren't worse. We are different. Primary and
secondary have problems but not the Universities,

Universities are having to allot more and more budget to
remedial math and reading skills to their freshman because of the
primary and secondary problems. This increases
the cost of
tuition overall, ultimately increasing the difficulty of
students paying for their education. This will continue to be a
problem as long as......

except turf wars over budgets, idiots trying to finger
anti-zionists and, creation science.

.....people pretend the problems in the government schools all
have to do with the fact that .1% of the population has a
"thing" about creation science (completely ignoring the fact
that evolution is barely touched on in any HS class outside of
AP Biology.

We're quite good at taking properly prepared students and
turning them into Nobel Prize Winners. Underline "properly
prepared." If the children aren't properly prepared, there's
not much that can be done with them.

Bull****, the deficiencys can be fixed with any brats that will
benefit from a university education.

Interesting theory,

Then feel free to do so.

If those individuals can be taught that stuff in secondary
school, they can obviously be taught it in a university instead.

Perhaps.

No perhaps about it, obviously that is possible.

And if if that granted, at what cost to the rest of society?

None.

Huge, and you can see it on the financial statements of the universities,
who have been not shy about raising the issue.

If you're not willing to see that, you're obviously not an educator nor well
versed on the matter, and not qualified to speak on the subject,

JG



In fact you can make a case that it makes more
sense for universitys to be teaching the stuff they decide
that they need to teach those who attend universitys than
having the secondary schools teach it to everyone, including
those who arent going to attend a university.

(It would be better if we got what we thought we were paying for at the
secondary level.)

Not necessarily, see above.

Just out of curiosity -- why are you defending the failure of the
secondary schools?

I'm not. Just rubbing your nose in the fact that your claim that "If the
children aren't
properly prepared, there's not much that can be done with them" is just
plain wrong.

JG (SO! looking forward to the answer to THAT question......?)

Your problem.