b wrote:

On Feb 9, 3:25 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

The truth hurts, doesn't it? the majority of the world is mindless
sheep, living for the day, if not the hour. The concept of looking for
quality and serviceability has been lost by the herd.

well, thanks for confirming what i had suspected. It's precisely that
sort of view of people which has laid the groundwork for tyranny
throughout history!


Certainly! Our employees were the highest paid techs in the area,
had the best health care, got to drive company trucks home, and could be
fired if they didn't do their jobs right. My pay was more than $3 an
hour higher than anyone in any of the union shops. As usual, you union
maggots can't see reality for your greed.


you hit? If people didn't buy the cheapest piece of ****
that the Chinese or any other country wants to dump, they would either
build better equipment, or go out of business. You are a complete and
utter fool if you think you can place ALL of the blame at the feet of
the bean counters.

..which i didn't, I merely pointed out that not everyone is tech-
savvy, and not necessarily through any fault of their own.


So it isn't their fault that they are ignorant? Then where do YOU
lay the blame? Public schools? their parents? I KNOW! They were
unloved as a child and refused to learn anything, just to show up their
parents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And if your boss had decided to make those changes (very common in
non-unionized employer-employee relationships) then that would have
been ok, right?

I quit that job after four years, and I did it the day they announced
changes that I didn't like. Try it some time. Be a man (if you can).

So, you ran away. Real man-style, then. Truth is, you suffered at the
hands of your employer who did what he wanted with no regard for you,
but you're too proud to admit it.


See? You are making more unfounded ASS-umptions. The company hired
an new executive VP who decided to close the in house service
department. Both techs were to be transferred to field work, and because
of my health I could not climb poles on climbing hooks. I was made a
promise that I would NEVER have to climb a pole, and had one of the
bucket trucks available for special projects. It was no longer the
company I had agreed to work for, so I was man enough to leave. You ass
kissing union losers would have walked out on strike, because you can't
think for yourself. Also, I wanted to leave the area to be closer to
family, all of who lived in Florida.


I grew up in a steel town. The jerks were always
threatening to walk out, and did several times. They finally hurt the
company so bad that they had to sell out. It was bought by a japanese
company.

So what does this prove? that your country is up for sale and the
workers have no defence. Nice place to live, I'm sure.....


Just the twisted communist view I expected from a union flunky. The
owners were fed up with the union forcing them to keep thieves and
useless workers on the payroll, so they sold out. It was the Middletown
Armco steel mill, the first computer controlled steel mill in the United
States. It was built in the early '60s at a cost of over 1.2 Billion
dollars. The 'union' construction company managed to turn a 600 million
dollar project into one with an over 100 percent cost overrun. The
workers were well paid, because most of the jobs were technical, not
grunt work like their original 100 year old mill.

AK Steel, the new owners wanted to close the plant because they could
make steel cheaper in Japan, even though the quality was lower. The
plant needed some upgrades, but all the money Armco needed to stay
competitive was being bled from their bank accounts by the deadwood the
union demanded they keep on their payroll.

Middletown WAS a very nice place to live, till the greedy union
*******s slit their own throats. The ripple effect on the support
industries hurt about 200,000 people.


Sigh. once again you reading and cognitive skills are completely
missing. Tell me something, B(ozo). How can you even compose a message
with so few working neurons?

well thanks once more for another torrent of abuse.


You're welcome. I studied hard to learn to talk like a union member.


A clear sign of
someone who knows their arguments are shaky and resorts to name
calling.


A clear sign of someone who knows their union arguments are shaky
and resorts to name calling.


Clearly you're just a sad old man, sat behind the computer
with nothing better to do. I actually feel a bit sorry for you.


See above.


The workers had some of the highest pay in town and a
guarantee that as long as the company was in business the mexican plant
would remain open for a minimum of 20 years. As far as the US workers,
if the company hadn't opened the plant in Mexico they would have been
out of business within 90 days and there would have been no jobs for
them to go back to. Defense contracts have some severe penalty,
especially when delivering critical military supplies during wartime.

(sigh)...Once more you don't seem to grasp the idea that outsourcing
production to the third world to cut costs (or threatening to in order
to make the employees work for **** money, precarious contracts and
worse conditions) is not ethical behaviour.


Show everyone where I EVER made that claim. I was ****ed by the
early imports of Japanese 'crap-tronics' when it hit our shores, over 40
years ago. No one listened, because the stuff was
CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They could save 30% or more, and have it right
now even if it failed within a year.


It's an example of everything that is wrong with corporate ideology.


You are an example of someone who only see what he wants to, and
tells lies to make his point. No one should be guaranteed a job for
life, or be protected from being fired for stealing, doing shoddy or no
work at all.

Unions are greedy and have caused a lot of businesses to close. For
example: A corporation owned about 20 paper mills across the US. 19
were making decent profits, and the other was hemorrhaging losses. The
workers complained about everything, and never admitted their screw
ups. The machinery is too old! (It was newer than most of the other
plants.) The raw material is no good. (The other plants used the same
materials from the same sources.) It wasn't their fault they were late
or absent from the job several times a week, blah, blah, blah.

The president of the company moved to Middletown, Ohio to try to
straighten it out. After a few months of their constant whining, they
told him they were going union. He showed them that they were already
better paid that the union people working in other local paper mills and
he was not going to put up with another layer of problems, that if they
formed a union, he was closing the plant and splitting their work
between two of their other plants in the region.

They told him he was bluffing. A few days later they walked into his
office and dropped the union papers on his desk. He picked up his phone
and announced the plant was closed, and that people only had five
minutes to remove their personal property.

All of a sudden they were making all kinds of promises, offered to
tear up the union papers, but the place was closed and padlocked. It
cost his company less for additional shipping from the other plants to
their customers, than the expense of trying to keep that plant open. No
one got transferred to another plant.

Fast forward a decade: Another local paper plant burnt one night,
and made the national news. The president that had closed that mill
flew into town the next morning to deliver the keys to his closed
plant. It opened a few days later, with same machinery. Within a few
weeks they were producing more than three times the paper the former
workers ever did.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida