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James Beck

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On 2/8/08 11:21 AM, in article
, "James Beck"
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On 2/8/08 7:40 AM, in article
, "James Beck"
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"Leonard Caillouet" wrote in
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You seem to have added a right that is not found in the BOR.
Exactly where is that right specified?

The Bill of Rights explicitly protects all rights NOT specified in it.
(Read
it.) The right to organize to advance one's POV, agenda, etc, is a right
essential to any democracy.

Sure, but your rights end where they infringe on mine.
I have the right to own and run my business as I see fit.
How does your right to organize trump that? It doesn't.

Jim

You need to correct that thinking. If I am an organizer, my rights to
*attempt* to organize your workforce do *not* end, regardless of your wishes
or how you run your company. If you fire your persuaded employees and
attempt to hire new ones, I will picket your business and attempt to
organize your new people. My union position would only be altered if you
provided wages, benefits and working conditions that are at least equal to
union shops. That's how things are.

That's fine.
I have a problem with the idea that you can't fire a union member just
because they are on strike.
You have the right to say or do what ever you want outside the doors of
another's business.
If employee 'A' comes to me and says "I want a raise and better
benefits" and I say "Sorry, not enough spare money", or "Sorry, you just
aren't doing a job that warrants that kind of compensation" and his
response is "Well, then I'm not coming back to work until you change
your mind". I would tell that employee to take all the time they need
and spend it in the unemployment line. Isn't that my right as a
business owner?

Jim

Yes, it is. Obviously, in the situation you outlined, the employee is not a
(union) represented employee, so you will deal with the employee as you
wish. Had the employee been a union employee, the situation would never
occur, as he/she cannot bargain individually with you, nor you with him/her.

OK, so what is the difference?
So, the union dude comes in and says the lug nut tighteners want another
$50/wk and better medical benefits, and I say Sorry, there is no budget
for that and the machine tightens the lugs nuts all they do is hold the
machine and I don't feel they deserve $50 more a week and you say fine
then we aren't coming back to work until you feel like the job is worth
that. So, if I now fire all the lug nut tighteners and hire people that
are willing to work for those wages, what is the difference and the
problem, other than the number of people?

Jim