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"Rod Speed" wrote:

Billy wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Billy wrote

These damn wars are costing America lives, health
care, education, infrastructure, loss of civil rights,

Just like WW2 and the cold war did eh ?

This is an elective war in Iraq, unlike WWII.

Yes, but just like the cold war and Korea.

Afghanistan had a debt to Osama because of his efforts in fighting the
Russians.

It had a MUCH bigger debt to the US for the logistical
support against the russians, particularly stinger missiles.

That said we were welcomed into Iraq

Thats arguable. One of the most striking things was that the vast
majority of Iraqis essentially said 'thanks for getting rid of Saddam,
now **** off out of our country right now and dont come back' and
started blowing up any yanks they could when that didnt happen.

Even the stupid Saudis didnt do much of that after
first Gulf War was won very convincingly indeed.

and we screwed it up.

Nope, THEY screwed it up very comprehensively indeed.

Not only did they start looting everything that wasnt nailed down
in days, but they started ripping each others throats out in days
and that eventually deteriorated into a full scale civil war.

Nothing like that ever happened as WW2 ended and dont try claiming
that that was because not enough US troops were used, not that many
were used to occupy Japan either and that worked fine essentially because
even the stupid Japs had enough sense to realise that once the jackboot
of their military machine was removed from their throats, the only thing
that made any sense whatever was to get on with rebuilding the country.

Afghanistan is ruled by war lords.

It aint JUST warlords. They were actually stupid enough to do essentially
the same thing after they finally had got rid of the russians, started
ripping
each others throats out very enthusiastically indeed and Afghanistan ended
up such a complete shambles that it was easy for the talibums to rock up
from Pakistan and take over with bugger all resistance.

The US has lots of experience in manufacturing
insurgencies, remember Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile?

Nothing like what happened in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Those never had US troops on the ground involved.

Remember Germany, Japan, Korea ?

Death squads, I mean insurgencies, plus air strikes at their
infrastructure would have made either country pay heavily.

Didnt work in Yugoslavia. It took troops on the ground to stop it.

The only reason to be in Iraq is to secure the oil.

Wrong. The shrub and his puppeteers are actually so stupid that they
actually believed that they could rock up, get rid of Saddam and that
they would be welcomed by the stupid ragheads and that they would
just have democratic elections and they'd all live happily ever after.

They were that stupid about Vietnam too, and there wasnt any oil involved
there.

No oil in Somalia or Beurut either.

What we are doing in Afghanistan makes no sense.

Are you seriously suggesting that nothing should have been done
about the terrorist training camps post 9/11 when it became obvious
to anyone except a complete fool what terrorists could get up to ?

It's like we didn't learn from the Russians
or from our own experiences in Somalia.

Afghanstan wont end up anything like either of those, you watch.

Wont end up anything like Vietnam either.

Are you seriously claiming that post 9/11, the US should have
done nothing about the terrorist training camps in Afghanistan ?

There are many more volunteers now than there was before our invasion.

Not in Afghanistan there arent.

The whole world was sympathetic with the US after 9/11 but now that's gone.

Have fun explaining the considerable number of
european and other troops in Afghanistan right now.

In any event, our satellites can see small object on the ground.
Let them build them up and we can knock them down.

Doesnt work. That was tried in Kosovo and Somalia.

And just yawned when Saddam invaded Kuwait ?

I don't know. To the best of my knowledge,
Saddam ask for permission to invade first.

Like hell he did.

We told him that local politics were of no interest to us.

Pig ignorant lie.

I've heard that this is contested

Corse it is. And even Saddam noticed what the US thought
of the invasion of Kuwait once it had happened and he didnt
care until he was ****ed over very comprehensively indeed.

but that is what we were told at the time.

Only by pig ignorant fools.

The same fools that proclaimed that it was absolutely guaranteed to produce
WW3 too.

Also, the Kuwaitis apparently were slant drilling into Iraq to extract oil.

Another pig ignorant lie.

and indebting the US to China.

Nope, its the trade with china thats doing that.

China presently holds some $400 billion of American bonds.
This is in addition to the trade deficiet.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...655458,00.html

Nothing to do with 'these damned wars' as you pig ignorantly claimed.

The shrub's dad even got everyone else to pay for the first gulf war.

The numbers here are low but that is because it
was four years ago but this verifies my claim

No it doesnt prove a damned thing about that being due to
your pig ignorant claim that its due to 'these damned wars'

and you can look up the numbers to verify my assertion.

The numbers aint the problem, its your stupid pig
ignorant claim that they are due to 'these damned wars'

They clearly arent when the shrub's dad got everyone else to pay for the
first gulf war.

By the way, Japan owns $700 billion of American bonds.

Yes.

The money goes into the military-industrial complex

Nope.

and the tax-payer owns the liability for the debt.

Come on Rod. I can't be responsible for your education. Make an effort.

You've got everything just plain wrong. You aint educating
anyone, just flaunting your complete pig ignorance of the basics.

So ignorant that you cant even work out the difference between
the world bank and the WTO or what is driving the ragheads either.

Also nothin' I can do about your cranial-rectal inversion. Talking to a
fence post would be more illuminating. Bye.
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Billy

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