BobR wrote in
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On Jan 31, 7:46*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:43:35 -0800 (PST), BobR





wrote:
On Jan 31, 2:23*pm, Bubba wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:05:30 -0800 (PST), BobR

wrote:
On Jan 30, 7:34*pm, bill wrote:
My daughter is complaining about high heat bills. *i bet the
elect

resistence elect coil is on a lot. * how do i tell when the
coil c
omes
on? *and how do you turn it off? *what turns it on? *when temp
is
below 32? * if compressor is ok, why would coil come on? * she
h
ad the
system checked and they said ok. *wonder if they checked out
opera
tion
of coils. * *thanks for any insight. * bill *in Maryland

Face it, heat pumps are the most ignorant system ever developed
and suffer from a basic design fault. *The lower the temperature,
the le
ss
efficient they become and nothing will help the electric bill
from skyrocketing. *Heat pumps are ONLY effective in the few
southern states where the temperature does NOT go below 40
degrees for any extended length of time. *Below 32 degrees, they
are a total joke.

Nice to know you are so fuquering stupid BobR. Get a clue and a
brain and come back when you actually know something useful.
Heat pumps work very well. Mine heats my home until about 17-18
degrees outside. Then it starts losing temperature so the back-up
heat kicks in. I'll sell you a home with straight electric heat
and I'll take the same EXACT home except I get a heat pump. We'll
compare bills each month. You'll be hurting.
Bubba

Comparing the Heatless Pump to pure electric heat might be a valid
point but comparing to Natural Gas or even propane is a damn joke.
Yes, mine also heats down to 17-18 degrees but in order to do so it
must run almost continously and the electric bill for winter heating
is double my bill for cooling in July and I live in DALLAS where it
doesn't really get all that cold but it does get that hot. *I have
had it checked, checked, and checked again and even the Air
Conditioning people admit that they are worthless pieces of crap.

Yes, around 20 or so outside it seems to run 24/7 or something like
that, HOWEVER........................
The next time it is that cold out, go out and wrap and amperage meter
clamp around the run or common terminal of the compressor and not the
amperage draw.
Now, wait till it is 95 outside or some sweat busting temperature
like that and measure that same wire with your amp meter.
BIG difference.
Heat pumps work if installed correctly paying careful attention to
equipment sizing and duct sizing.
No, its not as warm as gas, oil or propane but saves tremendously for
those that only have the option of electric.
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A heat pump using ground heat and cooling would probably be as
effective as anything available, gas or otherwise. The problem with
the heat pump and most air conditioners is the reliance on ambient air
temperatures which are totally ineffective at the time they need to be
the most effective. The colder it gets, the more you need the heat
and the less it is available. Likewise, when its super hot outside,
you can't get any cooling out of the hot air. The only really
effective method would be to bury the evaporator coils deep in the
ground where the ambient temperature will remain almost constant.

That system is now gaining acceptance in many areas and is proving
both effective and cheaper. Unfortunately, nobody in my area knows
crap about it and even if they did, the soil around here is so
unstable that it may prove ineffective.

I believe it's called something like geothermal heat pumps. I think it
was in a monthly magazine from a NC utility company I saw an article on
them. Study from some outfit where test systems were installed in various
parts of the country. One was Burlington VT (about 40 min from Canadian
border). Pretty positive results if I recall. Overall design,
installation and ongoing costs I do not know.