On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:29:50 -0500, Bubba
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:37:48 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:35:54 -0500, Bubba
wrote:

Guys like you that have no clue what it costs to run a
business. Try it sometime. You wouldnt last a week. In case you havent
noticed..........gas is not $0.39 a gallon anymore, a gal of milk is
not $0.65, your home utility bill isnt less than $50 a month and
sending a kid to college doesnt cost $300 a semester. I wont even
bother to mention health insurance costs.


Of course I do, the cost of running a business. No one owes you a
living. If you can scare people to call you for every little problem
so that you can rip them off that's not my problem. Meanwhile there
are lots of people who seek advice here as to whether its something
they can do to avoid spending unecessary money. They are welcome to
free advice. They can decide for themselves if the advice is valid or
whether they should call a service guy. The knowledge helps them spot
scammers from hell like you in an instant.

In case you haven't noticed the designs of modern appliances have been
simplified so that a reasonably handy person can install or replace
the any module themselves without having to be an engineer. Anyone
can handle a wrench and a screwdriver. That's commonly all that is
needed to replace an appliance module and get the appliance running
again. Nobody including tradesmen does parts repairs anymore. It
takes too much skill and time. You'll go bankrupt doing parts
repairs. The skill of a repairman these days is to know which module
is producing the problem, quickly replace that, confirm that's the
fix, collect money and get to the next call.

Listening to you blither your words of dispair is painful. In case you
havent noticed, the design of new high tech energy efficient equipment
requires a vast array of knowledge and specialized tools to "PROPERLY"
work on them. I know that word is a tough one for you PaPaPeng but get
used to it. I have no ideal what kind of toys you are working on that
require only a screwdriver and wrench to repair. When you can tell me
you understand static pressures, gas pressures, CO and O2 readings,
temp rise, subcooling, superheat and how they each apply to a hvac
system and make it run properly then maybe I'll listen to you. Until
then, get your damn refrigerator off the back porch and go crawl back
under that rock you came from.
Bubba


Read my other post on a guy who wants to know how to select a furnace.
The best way is to take a good look at the construction of one (they
have their whole range of models on display) in the HVAC supplies
warehouse. Ask their very helpful and knowledgeable salesguy (he's a
licensed journeman HVAC guy) anything and everything you want to know.
Every supply shop must have such a guy to provide accurate information
so that they won't get sued for giving the wrong info. No charge, no
BS about pricing or technical details. You get educated at the same
time. That allows you to decide if you want to do the job yourself or
hire a tradesman. Allows you to spot a flakey ripoff artist on the
phone and drop him from consideration right away.

Same supply shop guy will also give an educated guess as to ordinary
furnace problems and point you where to look to do the repairs you
might need. Go look at the furnace and decide if you want to fix
and/or buy the module too. Or get someone to do it for you. What you
do inside your own house is your nobody's businessa. What a tradesman
does inside your house for pay is a regulated business.

understand static pressures, gas pressures, CO and O2 readings,
temp rise, subcooling, superheat and how they each apply to a hvac
system and make it run properly then maybe I'll listen to you.

When you make a case how a car owner need to know about engine
construction, performace parameters, brakes, shocks, etc. in order
to drive a car then come back and convince us. Throwing all that
useless data around puts you as a ripoff artist right away. Are you
telling me that you are going to tweak those as settings when you
install a furnace? The furnace comes as is and you are not allowed to
change anything or else void the warranty as well as break the law.
At most you only adjust the air for the burner to get a clean blue
flame.

For sizing the furnace just ask the supplier what similar sized houses
in the neighborhood have installed. Every manufacturer offers at most
three to four furnace sizes which is the range of common houses sizes.
(800 sq ft to 3000 sq ft.) Larger houses have double furnaces. Get
the same furnace capacity as have other houses and you can't go wrong.
Heat is heat. The amount needed to heat a house to a set temperature
is the same. Your gas bill is the same. At worst an undersized
furnace (by one model size, you can't even make a bad goof) may cycle
more often. Furnaces are built for years of troublefree performace.

As for the newer high efficiency furnaces the expensive part is the
electronics board. The most a service guy can do is to replace a
blown fuse. The board itself can't be repaired on site. Hard to
troubleshoot, won't have the right component part to replace,
unreliable desolder-resoldering, etc. Butcher the board and the
supplier won't accept it for a trade-in exchange. So all our Bubba
can do is a board swap and charge you an arm and a leg. If the board
is indeed the problem you can do a board swap yourself just as you
would your PC.

For everything else this is where that visit to the supplier to take a
good look at the insides of the furnace is a wonderful learning
experience and money saver. You get to know how to open up the panels
for access and where every inside is located and interconnected. Its
easy to think through the likely source of the problem. Read the
owner's manual. All components are designed to operate safely for
years in a hot environment. They are therefore made simple and tough.
Its a piece of cake to locate and fix anything once you know what's
inside..

Yeah bubba go rip off old ladies and pensioners..