On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:51:25 +0000, Arfa Daily wrote:


"Hachiroku ????" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:30:56 +0000, Eeyore wrote:



"dbu." wrote:

Habeas Corpus is not suspended, goofy.

It is (in the USA) if THEY decide you're a terrorist. No proof required
whatever.

Graham


That's OK. No Problem. Since a LOT of the people they have incarcerated
for terrorism ARE terrorists!

Take the case of Dave Whatever from Austrailia. Wrote a letter to his
Mum saying he would fight, kill and die for the 'cause'. The cause was
Jihad. The tactics of the Muslims is terrorism. They jailed him at
Guantanamo, then moved him to a prison in Austrailia. He was released
last week after 6 years.

Should have kept him at Guantanamo...



This is actually a tricky one, where a country has a fundamental principle
of freedom of speech. It's a big step from someone voicing Walter Mitty
delusions of being a terrorist, to actually being one. Just in the last
few weeks, a young girl has been jailed here in the UK under the
prevention of terrorism act, for writing delusional poems about being a
terrorist. Interestingly, she was employed in a shop at Heathrow Airport
... I don't think that it was a particuarly clever thing to do, but you
have to ask yourself exactly what crime she has committed, in a country
where people supposedly have a right to say what they like, and hold
whatever opinions they like. There is a lot of double standards like this
creeping in now. Had this girl have been a character in a TV show, say,
would the writer of that show have been guilty of the same offence that
she was, for coming up with the poems, writing them down, giving them as a
script to a credible actor, and then getting them broadcast on public
television?

There are now huge issues here with voicing any negative opinions in
public about anyone being gay, or about anyone's race or colour or most
any other characteristic, but it is fine to do so as part of a 'make
believe' television production. Why is it so hugely offensive for these
people to have negative comments made about them in reality, but
apparently not when it's done in the TV world of make believe ?

Arresting and incarcerating people for talking like a terrorist, without
any proof that they are actually a terrorist, is drifting towards a
dangerous situation of a totalitarian state, complete with thought police
...

Arfa


Hmmmm...this is all very true.

Here in the states people (a few HS/College kids mostly) have been
investigated for writing stories about Columbine-type killings. But not
jailed.

The problem results from not knowing who your enemy is. In wars of old, We
wore one uniform, They wore another. Warfare has changed since Vietnam,
and especially in dealing with the terrorists. Do we err on the side of
Human Rights, and take a chance, or do we err on the side of caution and
jail them in an effort to find out where they really stand?

After 9/11 and July 2005 in the UK, I'm all in favor of sending them to
Guantanamo until their true colors show.

And, as far as 'torture' (waterboarding, sleep deprivation, hypothermia,
etc) it has been borne out that we have in fact been correct so far a lot
more than we have been wrong.

You have to remember that these people kill with NO remorse, by the mere
fact that they will take themselves out with their victims, believing it
is the Will of Allah.