On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:59:43 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
wrote:

On Dec 26, 7:35*am, "David R. Birch" wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Dec 25, 1:13 pm, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:49:50 -0600, David R. Birch
wrote:

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Dec 24, 9:06 am, Dave Hinz wrote:
I don't actually care where the cop is when I need them,
they're not where I need them. *So, I'm on my own. *If I'm
banned from defending myself, the only person made safer by
*that ban, is the criminal who ignores laws like "don't
shoot people" and all that.
Dave...give us examples of how the cops were not there when
you needed them.
? Cops aren't there to prevent crimes, they're there to
investigate crimes that have already happened and catch the bad
*guys who did them. The only way to have cops always there when
*you need them is to have LOTS of cops everywhere. Spain under
Franco was like that, and the former East Germany. I don't want
*that.
Yup. *As usual, too_many_trolls mistakes a simple truth (cops
can't be everywhere at all times) and pretends that somehow
that's not a truth or relevant to self-defense unless I,
specifically, have personally needed one who wasn't around.
Doesn't work that way, again, that's like pretending that flat
tires don't happen if you haven't had one.

So Dave has apparently has no examples of how the cops were not
there for him.

Almost anyone who's a victim of a crime is an example of cops not
being there for them.



Why does this not surprise me?

Why would it surprise you? Are you unable to read and understand what
I posted above? Try it again, starting with "? Cops..."



So Dave do you have any examples of how carrying a gun has
protected you? No fantasies...just facts please.

Not an issue here, both Dave and I live in Wisconsin, where our
governor has recognized that the residents of this state are less
trustworthy and competent than those of all the states that have CCW
with no problems. There is no CCW in Wisconsin.

I know of cases where a Wisconsin resident prevented a crime of
violence by illegally carrying a concealed gun. No cites, of course,
because the violent crime DIDN'T HAPPEN.

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As I requested before...just the facts please....fantasies need not
apply.

So you have no evidence that guns deter crime?

Meanwhile the news each day has evidence that guns do kill innocent
people...

as do auto accidents, various diseases and old age.