On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:49:50 -0600, "David R. Birch"
wrote:

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Dec 24, 9:06 am, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:17:14 -0600, cavelamb himself wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:
You fear the cops more than the people the cops are there to protect you
from? Really?
I really am interested in your answer. You fear your cops more than you
fear your criminals? Tell me again where you live?

I've never had any problem talking to a USA'n, armed cop.
Maybe you know different cops than I know.
I also wonder about your non-response to this.

...perhaps, just perhaps, that shows that criminals aren't stupid, and
are deterred from crime if someone armed, or potentially armed, is in
the area. Hmmm.
and there you see the slippery slope...
Nothing slippery or slope about it. Criminals avoid getting hurt if at
all possible. You observed that cops are never around when crimes are
committed. I'd start by saying you're obviously wrong but yes, there is
probably a strong correlation. The difference in your POV and mine, is
that I see it as a deterrance factor, you apparently see it as some sort
of psychic avoidance thing or whatever.

I don't actually care where the cop is when I need them, they're not
where I need them. So, I'm on my own. If I'm banned from defending
myself, the only person made safer by that ban, is the criminal who
ignores laws like "don't shoot people" and all that.

Dave...give us examples of how the cops were not there when you needed
them.

? Cops aren't there to prevent crimes, they're there to investigate
crimes that have already happened and catch the bad guys who did them.
The only way to have cops always there when you need them is to have
LOTS of cops everywhere. Spain under Franco was like that, and the
former East Germany. I don't want that.

David (not Dave, though)

Indeed

Gunner, ex cop




"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner