"Tim May" wrote in message
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In article , hamei
wrote:

Richard Johnson wrote:

Well, Timmy boy. He has paid for it in taxes, as have you. He may be
against the concept, and principle, but being forced into that system,
and
paying for the years he has paid for it, he has the right to get value
for
the money that was taken from him. As do you and as do I. If the
system
allowed him to opt out, and he failed to put the $$ away for this
eventuality, then you would be correct. As it is the only opt out
is via
suicide. He has paid for it all these years, he should get the
benefit of
that payment. So, you are full of ...it.



How much does one pay in taxes with an annual income of $20,000 ?

Sure sounds like "from each according to his ability, to each
according to his needs" to me.

Yep, just so. The federal income tax on an income of $20K, with one
dependent (could be more if his adult son is considered a dependent,
with no income of his own, and could include the wife of the son, plus
their new kid, so the total number of dependents could be 4), and with
mortgage interest and business expense deductions (Gunner has said his
expenses nearly equal his income, so...), is very, very, very low.
Certainly under $1000.

I've paid out $80,000 in taxes in some years. (Including on assets I
bought 25 years ago, for which I'm largely paying taxes on inflation
gains, that is, not real gains at all. Sort of like having a banknote
getting some zeroes added to it, and then being told by government that
the "gain" is taxable.)

And yet I have never taken a dime from the county agencies. Nor will I
qualify to have a $400,000 medical bill "picked up by the taxpayers."

In Gunner's social democrat world, he not only pays very little in
taxes, he also gets the largesse of socialism.

"From each according to his abillity, to each according to his need,"
except people with assets don't even get anything even when they are in
need. Worse than socialism in some ways. A double whammy against
achievement.

No wonder inner city welfare types and rural white people are so often
so similar.

At this point, I don't suppose Mark should be bitching too much
about socialized medicine. It would be ... ungrateful.

It may be that his many years of ranting against socialism had to do
with some kind of "cognitive dissonance" because he knew he was sucking
off the government tit (his wife's $400,000 freebie treatment), but he
couldn't rationalize it, so he ranted about Canucks and welfare mothers
and thefts via taxation.


--Tim May
Well, Tim, my Wife and I make around $200K per year between us. As wage
earners, we pay plenty of taxes as well, my guess as a percentage more than
you. (No business hide holes to protect our money.) I personally cheer
Gunner on to use the system he and we are forced into by the elected
officials. That does not mean I don't want a change, nor does it mean he
doesn't want a change. As a Survivalist, you should use all the tools that
are around to survive and thrive. There is no shame in doing so, nor does
it make him a hypocrite. (The only thing that would do that is his vote. I
would bet that he votes as he advocates.) I am not Libertarian, but
Republican. Have been since Goldwater ran. (No, I could not vote, but I
did stand and argue with Democrats in the Republican booth at the Del Mar
Fair.) So I don't fit the NEO thing either.