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Pete C.

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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:39:55 -0600, "Pete C." wrote:

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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:09:13 -0600, "Pete C." wrote:

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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:35:43 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote:

Frank wrote:
Dan_Musicant wrote:

Fact is you can find CF's that don't take a minute to get usable light.
Some are nearly instant on. The only filament lamps I use at all are
maybe a couple I haven't bothered to change that I leave on for 5-10
minutes at a time only.

I find it grating to read posts which make fun of federal lawmakers. I
wouldn't want to spend more than 10 minutes of every year sitting in the
halls of congress. I know it's a madhouse, but walk a mile in their
shoes before you paint them all with the same brush.

Believe it or not, letting people do what they damn well please doesn't
work in this country.

You must be in the 15% that thinks congress is doing a good job.
Let the market decide. I use CFL's not to save the planet but because
in the long run, I save money.

I've often found that being a cheap ******* and being ecologically
correct are two subsets of the population with significant overlap.

If nothing else, the philosophy of using equipment until it is well and
truly no longer usable and no longer repairable before purchasing a
replacement is one of the best things you can possibly do for the
environment.

nate

(cheap *******)

Not if the old piece of equipment is an energy hog. When I bought my primary
home, it had a 30 year old deep freezer in the basement. I paid someone $75 to
haul it away. When it was operating, the OUTSIDE of the unit was cold!

I'll be turning off my perfectly good CRT Sony TV in a couple of months, and
replacing it with an LCD Sony. Boo-Hoo! I'm Soooo sad to be doing that!

Check the power consumption of that new LCD vs. the CRT and you may well
find there is little difference between them.

Already checked. There's a huge difference. You may be confusing LCD with
Plasma, which uses a lot more energy.

No, I'm not. Plasma does indeed eat power, but many LCDs are not that
different from CRTs. The difference gets greater with larger CRTs and
LCDs, but for smaller stuff it can be surprisingly small.

Well of course, smaller TV's use less power. How silly of me to overlook that.

Meanwhile, you ARE confusing Plasma with LCD's. They are noticably different
when it comes to power consumption. Either that, or you are including LCD
projectors, which are not part of this discussion at all.

I spent some 15 years in the video world, I'm quite familiar with the
different technologies. Put a Kill-a-Watt on the current CRT and record
the kWh used over a normal week and then do the same with the new LCD.
Report back on the difference.