On 16 Dec 2007 00:28:31 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:46:42 -0500, Tanus wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

Yes. We give you specs, and you substitute lead paint where it's not
specified, lead paint where it's not specified, and toxins in the pet
food to boost the apparent protein count in the wheat gluten - except
that it kills the pets. Oh, and the antifreeze in the toothpaste, that
was a nice touch.

Not to start a war but you state that "we give you specs" how did you
determine the exact specs that the Chinese were given? Is this
information available on the Web?

I ask this because my experience in dealing with the Chinese is that
they do meet the specs - right to the letter. If your spec is "paint
it red" then they paint it red with the cheapest paint that they can
locate. If you say "it must pass a protein check using the XYZ test"
then it will.

But if you say "paint it red" using a paint with the following
constituents - AND NOT CONTAINING ANY OF THE SUBSTANCES ON THE
ATTACHED HAZARDOUS CONTENTS LIST" then that is exactly what you will
get, but it may very well cost you more money.

Since this is a metal working group let me give you another example:
All over Asia are machine shops (what we used to call job shops) and
every one is equipped with Chinese machines. Lathes, milling machines,
grinders, you name it. And every one of these machines is equal in
quality to the American made machinery that I ran for many years, but
you don't see this machinery in the U.S. because nobody wants to buy
it - it costs too much. What everyone wants is the cheap Chinese junk
from Harbor Freight. So that is what is what the Chinese sell to
Harbor Freight - cheap junk that you can't find in most Asian
countries because no professional shop here will buy it.

In short, "you want cheap - we got cheap"

Bruce-in-Bangkok
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