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Joseph Gwinn

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On Dec 1, 4:31 pm, Paul wrote:
Joseph Gwinn wrote:
I'm going to look at a Clausing 5914 being sold by a welding shop that
is closing at yearend, and I'm looking for a list of issues to be aware
of. The seller is an electrician and makes no claim to be a machinist,
and isn't able to answer my questions.

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I have a 5904, same as a 5914 but shorter, which was well used when I
got it. These machines typically have an L-00 spindle, which is
relatively easy to find chucks, etc. for. I never heard of one with a
camlock spindle, but some of these lathes might have threaded spindles.

Turns out to be L-00.

Ways are hardened so hopefully they won't be worn.

They look pretty good to me.

These are variable
speed, using a hydraulically actuated variable cone pulley arrangement.
The drive is probably the weakest link, having plastic sleeve bushings
that wear and if not repaired cause wear to other drive components that
can run into some money to fix. Motors were 2hp, at least mine was.
Mine also had a sheared key on the backgear shaft that ended up running
about $200 in parts to fix.

Everything does run, but is a bit noisy. It will need some TLC.

Parts are still available from Clausing for
these machines, maybe not the major castings but most other parts. Get
the serial number, located near the front V way at the tailstock end of
the bed and Clausing can sell you a manual for that particular lathe,
and tell you when it was made.

Yes. And this was a major factor in my decision to go for a Clausing.
Expensive beats unavailable any day.

These are nice machines, superior to South Bends etc. Parts are
available and quite a few were made so accessories such as steadies and
followers can be had. Figure weight to be in the 1000 to 1100 LB range,
I hauled mine in the back of my pickup, unloading it with a chainfall
and moving it around in the shop with an engine hoist.

I just finished converting mine to a VFD setup, my varidrive, while
having a few annoying issues still worked well enough but then a VFD
presented itself so I changed it over.

If the one you are looking at isn't rusty and beat all to hell you'll be
happy with it, if it has a collet closer grab that as well.

It does have the collet closer plus a well worn set of 5C collets.

Regards
Paul

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I bought one (5914) 20 years ago for $400, put $1000 of parts in it
and still have a $400 lathe (worn bed). The parts are available but
not cheap. Most of these are old enough (1960's) to have bed wear or
other problems common to old lathes. However the overall design and
manufacture of this model is first rate, so if the bed is straight and
not badly worn, you might have a winner.

The bed looks perfect to me.

The hydraulic mechanism for
the cone pulley is also a typical worn area as are the cone bearings,
sleeves, etc. The cone pulley jackshaft is also pretty noisy. I
replaced all of the motor and jackshaft bearings in mine which are
easy to find except for one thin shell "torque tube" bearing which is
rarely stocked (check aircraft suppliers).

This one is noisy too. I hear metal on metal a bit, so some heavy oil
may be in order.

One common fix is to
replace the whole variable speed arrangement with an VFD (variable
frequency drive inverter). At 2 hp it is possible to find these with
230 v single phase input and 230 v 3 phase output, which most of these
lathes require.

This lathe is 3 phase 208/240 volt. Probably is 2 HP, but didn't look.
I already have a big-enough VFD driving the Millrite, so initially I
will use the one VFD.

Enough of these lathes are around you might be able
to sell the original vari-speed parts to cover some of the inverter
costs.

That's a good point. The varispeed drive does seem to work OK.

The L00 chuck has a MT4.5 (four and one half!) taper, so be
aware of that if setting it up for 5C collets. Clausing (Royal also)
sells the adapter and some Chinese/Taiwan lathes also did this (my 10
x 24 TIDA for instance).

Hmm. What looked like 5C collets may not be? This is good to know.
I'll check into this when I get the lathe home.

Look at the oil levels in the spindle and
apron, as there are sight windows on both. It is also easy to remove
the spindle cover for a look inside.

From the sound as it runs, I bet it needs oil.

Chuck up a piece of 1" or larger by 10" aluminum rod and take some
light cuts to true it over the exposed length. (w/o tailstock center)
Mike the diameter every inch. If the diameters group tight enough for
your use, go for it. Usually most of the bed wear is in the first 3
or 4 inches of carriage travel. If you are really ambitious, the
lathe can be stripped down and the bed reground (it is hardened) for
$500+/- if you can find a shop with a big enough surface grinder.

The ways look very good to me. We'll see about the rest. I didn't try
to machine anything.

The lathe was sold because the seller was closing a business, so the
lathe was at least useful.

The business is a welding shop, and the fear was that grit from grinding
would get into things and reshape the ways. It turned out that the
lathe was well away from the grinding area, and there was no grit on the
lathe at all.

If it is in really good shape, don't be afraid to pay up to the cost
of a new Chinese 12 x 36 ($3000+). My 13 x 40 gear head JET cost me
$4000 and I would give it up any day for a 5914 in great shape.

I paid $2,500, for the lathe plus lots of other stuff. It will be some
months before I will know if I won or lost on the deal.

I did look at the Chinese option for about the same money, but this was
exactly my fear. So I decided to take the chance on the Clausing,
despite the noise when it runs. Given that parts are available, I
figure that most stuff can be fixed, albeit at some cost in time and
treasure.

One thing the 5914 may or may not do is metric threads. I'm not sure
what the story is there.

Joe Gwinn