w_tom wrote:
On Nov 13, 10:14 am, wrote:
Yes, keep posting pics of the handful of scary pictures from the
hundreds of millions of surge protectors in use. I can post pics of
car wrecks. Does that mean that all cars are inherently unsafe and
you should not own one?

w_’s own hanford link is about "some older model" power strips and says
overheating was fixed with a revision to UL1449 that requires thermal
disconnects. That was 1998.

None of w_’s links says there is a problem with listed surge suppressors
manufactured after 1998.

But with no valid technical arguments all w_ has is pathetic scare tactics.


Bud stopped quoting another favorite source

The usual lie. w_ likes to misconstrue the views of Martzloff in this
paper.

because that source also
said plug-in (point of use) protectors can even be destructive to
adjacent appliances. How curious.
Matzloff's statement of fact was so fundamental as to be
his first conclusion:

w_ forgets to mention that Martzloff said in the same 1994 document:
"Mitigation of the threat can take many forms. One solution. illustrated
in this paper, is the insertion of a properly designed surge reference
equalizer [multiport plug-in surge suppressor]."

In 2001 Martzloff wrote the NIST guide which also says plug-in
suppressors are effective.

Because plug-in suppressors violate w_'s religious belief in earthing
he has to twist what Martzloff says about them.

w_ just keeps posting the same drivel which has been debunked.


No earth ground means no effective protection.

And the required statement of religious belief in earthing.
Everyone is for earthing. The only question is whether plug-in
suppressors are effective. Both the IEEE and NIST guides say they are.

Still missing, as always. a link to another lunatic that says plug-in
suppressors are NOT effective. Still only w_’s opinions based on his
religious belief in earthing. Why should anyone believe your ravings w_?

And still no answers to simple questions:
- Why do the only 2 examples of protection in the IEEE guide use plug-in
suppressors?
- Why does the NIST guide says plug-in suppressors are "the easiest
solution"?
- How would a service panel suppressor provide any protection in the
IEEE example, pdf page 42?
- Why did Martzloff say in his paper "One solution. illustrated in this
paper, is the insertion of a properly designed [multiport plug-in surge
suppressor]."
- Why does the IEEE Emerald book include plug-in suppressors as an
effective surge protection device.
- Why don’t favored SquareD service panel suppressors list “each type of
surge”?
- Where is the link to a 75,000A 1475Joule rated MOV for $0.10.
– What are w_’s connections to surge protection equipment
manufacturers? Specifically ZeroSurge?
Why no answers to simple questions w_? Trader and I take apart w__'s
arguments, but poor w_ can't respond to what technical sources
really say.


Bizarre claim - plug-in surge suppressors don't work
Never any sources that say plug-in suppressors are NOT effective.
Twists opposing sources to say the opposite of what they really say.
Invents opinions and attributes them to opponents.
Attempts to discredit opponents.
w_ is still a purveyor of junk science.

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