On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:33:13 -0700, wrote:

On Nov 2, 9:09 am, rigger wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:34 pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:





On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:17:01 -0000, Igor wrote:
On Nov 1, 3:37 pm, GatherNoMoss wrote:
......Why couldn't a large jet passenger plane, full of fuel, that
crashes into the World Trade Center building not have enough heat
energy to soften it metal structure enough to cause it's collapse ?

I ask the 9/11 conspiracy theorists this question....those who think
it impossible that it could happen.

Maybe you're just asking the wrong question. Maybe you should be
asking why Bush knew it was going to happen and did absolutely nothing
to stop it.

I don't live in the U.S. and aren't exposed to the US news, to any
great extent, so what I know about this conspiracy theory of why the
WTC fell down is from reading newsgroups like this one.

The point I don't understand is if the WTC was a conspiracy, why did
the conspiracy take place? Money? Power? Politics?

The whole conspiracy theory is a mystery to me.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
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The point I don't understand is if the WTC was a conspiracy, why
did
the conspiracy take place? Money? Power? Politics?

During the Vietnam conflict the "false flag" incident which
caused things to heat-up was the Gulf of Tonkin incident
where a false attack was attributed to the enemy thereby
creating a threat in the mind of the American public which
gave the U.S. the "public" reason it needed to escalate
the conflict.

It wasn't that long ago that one of our war ships was attacked
by Israeli war planes. During this attack neither the planes
or our back-up ships in the area would acknowledge radio
traffic by the U.S. ship. After much damage and casualties
the attack finally stopped. No good excuse has been
offered in this incident. My personal belief is that individual
Israeli officers took it on themselves to break-off (don't ask
for cites).

How difficult do you believe it would be to slip a group
of Israeli commandos into the U.S. and arm them with
the tools needed for another "false flag" incident? How
about giving the Israeli government a cruise missile or two?
This could certainly explain the hole in the wall of the
Pentagon. This could also explain why no one in the U.S.
has come forward with information.

dennis
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The Israel Air Force & Navy attacked the "Liberty" during the 6 Day
War with Egypt. It can be seen from this link,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do... rch&plindex=1
The theory was that, the US wanted to have a reason to take over the
Middle East Oil Fields.
The most telling evidence around 9-11 is WTC7 coming down when no
plane hit it at all. Larry Silverstein (the owner of wtc7) said on an
abc Documentary about 9 months later, that he got a call in the
afternoon on 9-11 from the Fire Commander who said that "he didn't
know if he could contain the fires in wtc7", and Larry said , "You
know we have had so much loss of life already that maybe the smartest
thing to do is PULL-IT, and we watched the building come down"
How can this be explained except that the building had to set up with
charges in order to bring it straight down at free fall speed into
it's own footprint.
End of story, IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

And to put the Patriot Act into place, to have more control over the
People of the US.

Your statement, "All this was done to have an excuse to go into Iraq
and secure their OIL ", doesn't stand up.

The Kirkuk Field survey was contracted to Shell - a Dutch company and
the survey of Rumaila Field was contracted to BP - a British company.
These surveys were made to investigate methods to return the fields to
full production and to increase future expansion.

I'm sure that U.S. contractors are engaged in rebuilding the Iraqi
fields as U.S. companies are some of the most qualified oil field
specialists in the world but I'm equally that Schlumberger, originally
a French company, but now viewed more as a truly international company
due to its many joint ventures with foreign companies
(Dowell-Schlumberger with Dow Chemicals, for example)is involved.

U.S. oil consumption is about 25 million barrels of oil per day, if
your statement is correct then, given that Iraq's current production
is about 2 million barrels a day, and if the U.S. has secured this
oil, to use your own words, then oil prices in the U.S. should be
approximately 8% lower then world prices -- but it isn't.

I have so little knowledge of the U.S. political scene that I cannot
comment on the Patriot Act except to say that it looks much like laws
implement in Germany in the late 1930's.


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