Ed Huntress wrote:

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Doug Miller wrote:


In article , "Ed Huntress"
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Sure. But it didn't happen all of a sudden, like the CCW law going into
effect and Texans going out in large numbers and getting permits.


Right there are a couple of the additional factors. Sure, the law going
into effect was a sudden event. But what about permit applications? Did
those instantaneously soar the moment the law took effect, or did they
increase gradually over time? What about increased gun purchases by CCW
holders? Was that a sudden event, too, or was that gradual over time?



Doug!??!

Ya'll got this cart/horse issue.

Yes, there WAS a surge of permits - as soon as the law went into effect.
Before that there WEREN'T ANY... GollY!

The REASON the law was enacted was because so many people were already
carrying. (yeah - before the law was writ).

You might say that this was the REASON the law was written.

Politicians follow the voting crowd.
(dunno why they think they should be called "leaders")

Put THAT in your spreadsheet and smpke it, Ed!

Richard


Hey, Richard, remember what's going on here. I'm not trying to analyze
Texas's crime problem. I'm responding to the claim, which Gunner posted from
some source he came upon, that Texas's homicide rate was 'way down in the
two years or so after the CCW law was passed. The data -- spreadsheet or
not -- makes it clear that the CCW law had no measurable influence on it.

All of these complications you're bringing up could be taken as additional
evidence that passage of the law was not a factor. I don't disagree with you
on that, because the data alone tells us that it was not a factor IN
HOMICIDES.

If I were going to look at this closely (which I'm not; it takes weeks or
months of research, which I did for NJ years ago and I'm not doing again), I
wouldn't have started with homicides in the first place. The clearest
evidence should relate to muggings, car thefts, and other crimes for which
an armed citizen out in the street should have the biggest influence.

But I'm not going there, either. I'll leave that to the people who care.
From what I can see, Dallas's crime situation is beyond repair without a
complete overhaul of the entire system. It's been allowed to degenerate to
an incredible degree, and concealed carry isn't likely to help much, if at
all.

--
Ed Huntress



I was just saying that people (here at least) were carrying BEFORE the
law was passed.

THerefore, I'd not expect to see much of a bump on the curve...