Eeyore wrote:

John Stumbles wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:16:15 +0000, Jim wrote:

To clear the air, I believe it is happening, slowly and inexorably,
man
has precious little to do with it, can't stop it if he tried, and every
My opinion is that
(a) the evidence seems to be that it is happening

I agree.


(b) it's quite possible that humany activities are contributing to, if not
causing, it

Contributing to I'd accept the possibility of at least in some small part.


(c) the consequences could be disastrous for all humankind

Potential consequences in hundreds of years time. There is no immediate danger

Tell that to to N Orleans.

and absolutely no reason or excuse for ill-considered panic action which may be
either futile or even counter-productive and will certainly damage western
economies further at a time when they are already endangered.


That s fair comment: Governments in the West are largely composed of
marketing people, whose function is to sell the latest load of bull****
to the electorate: faced with a complex and real crisis they are
singularly crap at coming up with imaginative and constructive solutions.

If not marketeers they are generally ideologues, who have pinned their
faith in 'principles' with a sort of religious zeal.


Anyone who HAS any real competence is to be found outside government,
where they can excercise their competence to make decent lives for
themselves and un businesses.


(d) we're socially advanced[1] enough to act responsibly and ameriorate
the effects of our actions

And how would that be ?

Any one of a million ways.



(e) we're just about technologically advanced[2] enough to counter the
effects of naturally-occuring processes (cf threat of asteroid strike
which we're (i) beginning to watch out for (ii) beginning to plan how to
avert).

Yet more alarmism to keep the public afraid and malleable.

Hah! Always the case. Just because bad men use a good cause to promote
their grasp on power, desn;t mena the cause itself is invalid.

You must learn the basic principals of logic.


proposal to prevent it basically calls for a return to the Stone Age,
i.e., the destruction of Western Civilization as we know it.

so, you are really saying that non-western civilisations == stone-age?


You would be surprised at how sophisticated stone age culture was
actually, but be that as it may, there is a grain of truth in the assertion.

I'd say some 'greens' would at least like us to return at least to the era of
the mud hut and subsistence farming.


I totally agree. Most of the religious zealots in the green movement
know as little and care less about the actual processes that keep them
alive as the zealots in the 'denial' movement.

You must rapidly come to a realisation of the massive ignorance on ALL
sides before you can actually work out what is a constructive way forward.


Graham