On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:37:03 +0100, Colin Wilson
o.uk wrote:

Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
either.

Perhaps you can enlighten us with the number of murders by gun crime
both in the US and the UK then - just to prove you're right.

Remember to cite your sources.

Of course.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

Note that those are total murders by all methods

Now lets look at those committed with firearms

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

Seems that you have more than your fair share of murders by means
other than firearms.

So a murder by blunt object is superior to murder by bullet eh?

Oh..it should be noted that the UK has been under reporting its crime
rate by a significant number of incidents. Millions in fact.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Cont...&site=5&page=0



Now..lets look at gun crime in the UK shall we?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2656875.stm

"By 1995 English rates of violent crime were already far higher than
America's for every major violent crime except murder and rape.

You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New
York. Why? Because as common law appreciated, not only does an armed
individual have the ability to protect himself or herself but
criminals are less likely to attack them. They help keep the peace. A
study found American burglars fear armed home-owners more than the
police. As a result burglaries are much rarer and only 13% occur when
people are at home, in contrast to 53% in England. "

"A study comparing New York and London over 200 years found the New
York homicide rate consistently five times the London rate, although
for most of that period residents of both cities had unrestricted
access to firearms.

When guns were available in England they were seldom used in crime. A
government study for 1890-1892 found an average of one handgun
homicide a year in a population of 30 million. But murder rates for
both countries are now changing. In 1981 the American rate was 8.7
times the English rate, in 1995 it was 5.7 times the English rate, and
by last year it was 3.5 times. With American rates described as "in
startling free-fall" and British rates as of October 2002 the highest
for 100 years the two are on a path to converge. "


Oh oh.....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2317307.ece

Geeze..seems like its (murder) is out of control ..and they want to
redefine it in the UK....

http://www.lawcom.gov.uk/docs/lc304.pdf


2006 totals of murders by country (by all methods)

United States: 12,658
United Kingdom: 850


US population 302,849,527
UK population 60,600,00

US population is nearly 5 times that of the UK

Adjusted UK murder rate is 4250

Murders committed by gang members in the US (ages 12- 30yrs)
8,239

12,658 minus 8239 = 4419 or 169 more in the US than in the UK.

Odd..shouldnt the numbers be radically different? Odd that with so
many guns in the US, as opposed to so few in the UK...why is there
only 169 more in the US than in the UK?

The numbers of course should be zero or close to it in the UK, with
their draconian gun ban.

Why isnt it?

But then..that explains why rape, hot burglarly and assaults are
higher in the UK, by an order of magntude than those in the US.
Because its illegal to defend oneself in the UK.Ne?


gunner









http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2640817.stm

Odd..while the crime rate in the US is falling like a rock..it seems
to be skyrocketing in the UK, along with gun crime.

Strange how that happens