The $ increase, suprised me since I haven't seen and increase in CRT's
in 20 years.

Your post (below) reminds me of the 3rd rock from the sun episode when
the aliens buy a dvd, a huge sound system and a big screen tv. And as
they are (sitting around) bragging about the quality , one alien's earth
GF reminds them they're watching 'Gremlins'...!! That line killed me.
And it was quite true. In most cases people have built an altar in
worship of 'what' exactly? I'd be afraid to see Bill O'Reilly's face in
any more detail than I already do..Or do I need to see Flava Flav smack
his bitch down in more detail?

There remains kinks in the digital techonogy such as the blur I reffered
to in my OP. Delivery of so much resolution (data?) takes time and if
the players move too fast, that can eat up bandwith and slow down
delivery and cause a blur. At least that is my understanding of it.
Kinda like when I scroll too fast on my puter? To me it's just not
worth it.

I recetly purchased 3 of the 'old' style tv's for a new home. I was
assured on many fronts that the change would only affect OTA broadcast..




CRT TVs

Group: alt.home.repair Date: Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 10:36pm (EDT+4) From:
(Puddin'*Man)
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:41:08 -0000, wrote:
On Jun 27, 9:49 am, Puddin' Man wrote:
I'd say I'm more aware of what's going on than you are. Faced with a
decision of buying a TV, I prefer to find out the facts, which are
readily available
Industry hype.
Look, there is plenty of info available today about HDTV from a variety
of resources, many of which are not connected to some evil industry
conspiracy. * * You obviously won't even look at it, yet you go
around telling people calamity is ahead.
Who posted opinionated stuff first? You or I?
You can stick you head
in the sand, while the rest of us move ahead.
and actually look at an HDTV compared to a regular one. The facts are,
ATSC broadcasting is up and running. The 85%+ who have cable or sat have
HD available. Network prime time is in HD. NYC even has HD livecam from
news helicopters. The first HD DVDs and players are appearing. All new
TVs sold in the US now have a built-in ATSC tuner. The prices for HDTVs
have dropped dramatically. And 16 million HDTVs will be sold this year.
I've seen 'em. In the store (a somewhat artificial environment), they
look better. But not -that- much better.
And do you know what you were looking at? * Just because it's an HDTV
doesn't mean the program that happened to be on at the moment was HD. In
stores, I've seen all kinds of material being shown and at times, it
wasn't HD at all. * It's gotten better in the last couple years, but
before that in many stores that I've seen it was pretty bad. But if you
have an HDTV with and HD source, and a regular TV next to it, the
difference is huge.
Granted a material difference.
I have no problem with your wanting your pretty pictures in highly
defined resolution. You will pay for what your get. I begrudge you
nothing in this regard.
Remember the "Vast Wasteland"? It still exists. Millions of viewers
lounge around every evening in front of the tube or son-of-tube. They
scarcely take notice of what's on the screen because they know it's
mostly drivel. ATSC/HD drivel is not materially superior to NTSC drivel.
Lord help po' me. I read books! :-) Part of me wants to pitch the
goddamn tube out the window.
'Tis the cost/benefit curve, as applied to the public at large, that you
fail to comprehend. Possibly because you're just not interested in what
effects others.
You make these sweeping statements with out elaboration.
You haven't exactly flooded the byte-waves with source-info
your-own-self.
The cost to
the public at large? * If you have 2 tv's and buy 2 ATSC tuners, you'd
be out about $50. * Is that so bad?
Suggest you Google "ATSC tuners" re price and availability. And who
wants an external box when they don't need one?
When the local or state govt
decides to buy open land or make a new park and your tax bill goes up
that much for something you personally never will use, do you get all
upset too?
Depends on lots of things.
And further, for the public at large, the fed govt is gonna get billions
when they sell the bandwith previously used by NTSC. That sounds like a
lot of money they can **** away instead of instead of taking it from
taxes.
They'll be cashing in on a public resource. It's an entirely different
topic, but I damned well don't like what they're doing with our money.
So, where exactly is this big cost/
benefit problem that I fail to comprehend.
It's something you've chosen not to contemplate.
You instead ask your buddy, the cable guy, who predicts that something
very bad is going to happen and the changeover to ASTC is gonna turn to
chaos, so you shouldn't do anything about your TV that needs replacement
* He's proably one of those cable guys we heard about who show up to
install cable and can't figure out how to correctly hook the new digital
box component video outputs up to the HDTV.
Hey, it's OK to get abusive. It's obvious that you lack info about both
my circumstances and my friend (who, 'tho retired, knows vastly more
about the industry than either of us).
Yeah, I tend to get that way when someone who dismisses readily
available info from a wide variety of sources and obviously knows less
than zero about HD, tries to tell me I'm some kind of mindless dummy
that's bought into a bunch of hype.
Let the record show that the "mindless dummy" phrase was of your own
devise. I implied only gullibility and/or personal interest. The net is
rife with both.
They pump up the hype in preparation for shoving the unproven technology
down the consumers throats. You seem to accept it all at face value. You
are their "Perfect Consumer". Or perhaps an industry employee. Eh?
What exactly is "unproven"? * About a third of US homes now has an
HDTV.
More sourceless claims. Even if true, ATSC is still an unproven tech. in
the homes of a majority of US folks. More than that, the relative
utility of ATSC vs NTSC given costs of each is very much unproven. It's
not enough to (correctly) say that it's a "much prettier picture".
ATSC broadcasting has been up for years. Every TV set sold now has an
ATSC tuner. * Geez, I notice for all the facts and statistics I cite
in an attempt to have a reasonable discussion, you counter with what?
* No facts. * Just personal feelings, and the opinion of your buddy
the cable guy, that HD/ATSC is unproven stuff, heading for calamity. *
Now thats what I call hype.
Lordy Mercy! A conspiracy of one? Hype?? g
BTW, I'm not an industry empoyee, though I am an electrical engineer, so
perhaps I know a little more about technology than you or your cable
guy.
And, as an EE, I'm sure you and your employer(s) reap no benefits
whatsoever (direct or indirect) from the ATSC mandate. :-)
Perhaps as an EE, you have some idea of what a mess they made of NTSC
over the years?
And you think it will truly be different with ATSC?
That's it, I'm out of here. No further response will ensue.
****Puddin'
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!" * -Friedrich
Schiller