On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:12:45 -0500, Mike Patterson
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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I have a similar rather large friend, bodybuilder, martial arts
enthusiast, etc. Carries a .44, says a 9mm isn't big enough.

And boldly leaping to an unwarranted conclusion "Old Nick" [funny nom du
net that, one of the moniker for Satan, but we'll let that slide] Nick
from posting to rec.crafts.metalworking leads with his
face and replies:

and he since he is going to be an agro arsehole, may as well do it
compltely.

Quiet some conclusion you leapt to there old sock. Your major form of
exercise? Or do you also run in circles? Do you understand that if you
advocate the abolition of firearms, you are calling for a return to the Glory
Days of Old, when Might Made Right and to the Victor went the Spoils?

Quoting some beatup-freak as a reason to carry guns sounds like ****
to me....unless it's to protect myself against
beatup-freaks........and hey! the *******s carry guns anyway,
according to you!

Why don't you have a nice lie down and call Nurse. I'm sure she can bring
you more of the pills which make the little voices go away.

I have had two occasions in my life where I though a gun would have
made things quieter. In both cases I simply talked my way out of it.
In neither case did I think afterward of any outcojme from using a gun
that would not have been a messy business in many ways.

I am convinced that guns cause more trouble than they solve on the
average. I sidearm has only one purpose. To shoot people at close
range, and be easily concealed.

And this is a problem why? I realize that saving your miserable life is a
waste of time or energy, but no everyone is so lacking in socially redeeming
qualities.

I realise that making guns harder to get _will_ still allow certain
bad people to get guns. But it will stop a lot of casual bad people
from getting guns. Many people who have survived physical attacks of
some viciousness would be dead now if the punk had had a gun.

Ah, here we have The Major Mistake in Logic. If there were no guns, then
there would be no crime. I suppose it never occurred to you that people
inclined towards physical violence do not necessarily _need_ a gun to commit
violence upon ones person? In simple English: thugs can beat you to death
without a gun. They don't need one, especially if you don't have one. But you
are going to be hard pressed to prevent that unless you too are inclined
towards physical violence, be that "martial arts" or ordinary brawling. Or you
could just stay in shape to be able to outrun them.

Do you grasp the concept? Guns are a modern labor saving technology -
crafted from machined metal [ob-metal-working-content] . They make it possible
for someone not "into" hand to hand combat to avoid such a situation. You,
apparently, would rather risk personal injury with the old fashioned labor
intensive means of self defense, other wise known as going in harms way and
within reach of someone intent on hurting you. AKA "leading with your face."

If I had a gun, and it was easy to get guns, I know that I would be
slower to use that gun than the other guy (and he _will_ have a gun),

Well, only you would know about your slowness. But you also make the
assumption that if you are unarmed, he is likewise going to be unarmed. But
what you fail to comprehend is that if you are unarmed, _he_ doesn't need a
gun. He can use old fashioned, labor intensive methods like stabbing or
clubbing you, or if that is too 'modern' can just punch and kick you into bad
health.
Of course, you are free to defend yourself with any antiquated method, like
running, or

because I do not inately want to hurt him. In fact I would probably
point the gun, get it taken off me by the bad-ass martial arts freak,
and be shot with it.

Good enough reason for you not to carry or even consider having a gun.
Also enough reason for you to not own a car, steak knives, sporks, fire
extinguisher, jump ropes, beer steins, precious metals, common metals, fire
wood, sticks, twigs or small stones as commonly found in a brook.
Definitely enough reason to keep you out of a machine shop (more obligatory
metal working content), you might hurt yourself on all the modern labor saving
devices like mills, lathes and various cutting implements.

************************************************* *** sorry

.........no I'm not!

Oh, you are a sorry lot, that is for certain. To bad for you the 12th
century passed you by and has left you wistful for the days when Norman Knights
would trample your Saxon peasant face into the muck, and you felt all was well
with the world.

Someday, you really must look into the good things the modern world has to
offer. Good food, clean clothes, dental hygiene, and labor saving devices
which allow you to spend your life in something other than drudgery.

tschus
pyotr



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pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."