On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 21:27:31 +1100, "A.Gent"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .

.. News reports often feature Granny chasing off, or
blowing the 19 yr old pukes **** away.

US news reports seem to feature lots of folk getting blown away - *some* of them
justifiably, it would seem.

Indeed. As for those unjustifiably..it tends to be minority males
between the ages of 13-24 doing most of the killing and dying, often
in acts of tribal warfare. As occurs in the UK and Oz, etc. Far more
people die by knife, blunt instrument etc etc. Factors that would
occur even in the absence of firearms..and the world stats are there
to prove it, given the murder rates in many countries where guns are
outlawed. In fact..its members of those countries that live in the US
that tend to bring their homicidal tendencies with them. Mexico is a
notable example.


As to your claims that a firearm may be taken from a woman and used
against her..please give me two examples. If you are unable to do
so..then your claim is simply a meaningless "what if" .

Sorry.
I'll have to shrug and whimper "what if". I don't collect broadcast anecdotes. I
leave that to others.

Excellent. Honesty is a good start.

You have posted previously about the desirability of self-imposed morality, as
opposed to morality imposed by the barrel of a gun. (That was you, wasn't it?) Such
a society is certainly preferable. I just don't fancy the concept of everyone having
to go everywhere (including to bed) armed to the teeth.

One never has to go anywhere armed to the teeth. Its a personal
decision. Im not a fan of putting on a seat belt when getting into a
motor vehicle either..and the chances of me being involved in an
accident are very small, but I do non the less.

I should mention that in the past 30 yrs, Ive had to draw my CCW 5
times. In only one of those cases was there another firearm involved.
But knifes, clubs, and large groups of individuals bent on harming
one, can kill you just as dead. No shots were fired in any of those
cases. And in each one of those cases, harm or death to myself, or
others WOULD have occurred if Id not been armed and willing to defend
myself with deadly force. Not maybe..but Would. And rape to my wife
and or others.

So am I being paranoid? Or simply, like wearing a seat belt, prudent?

Doesn't sound too peaceable to me, Pard.

Our crime rate is at an all time low, our homicide rates are down
below levels of 1964, and still declining. There are more privately
possessed firearms than ever before, 42 states now issue CCW permits
and things are getting nice and peaceable. Im afraid that the same
cannot be said for other countries that have banned the use of the gun
for self defense, or even its ownership. But then..Im damned glad to
live in a nation where each individual does have the right to properly
use deadly force in self defense. And has the right as a basic part
of its foundation documents.

Shrug..each to his own. Im quite happy to be a citizen, not a sheeple,
and have the option of picking which I prefer being, rather than
having the sheeple part forced on me by a government.

Gunner

Changing the subject a little, Gunner.... (if I may wander even more OT)

Would you rather be living in the the wild west (the land of "Bonanza" and "Shane"
and so on) than here and now?

Just wondering....


Jeff




"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"