On 6 Mar 2007 07:04:15 -0800, wrote:

On Mar 6, 8:54 am, dgk wrote:
On 3 Mar 2007 14:31:35 -0800, wrote:





On Mar 3, 5:04 pm, "Bob F" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
Carter says a lot, and no doubt means it. But what did he DO? The Iranians
invaded soverign US territory and held our people prisoner for 444 days.
The
Russians invaded Afghanistan and Carter cancelled our participation in the
Moscow Olympics. Bah.

And they all came back alive. Think of how Bushie would have resolved it.

Bob

Carter could very likely have gotten the hostages back inside a couple
months, if the whole world didn't know he was a pussy and he stopped
acting like one. When you're president, there are the lives and
futures of 200 million Americans and free people around the world that
depend on certain countries knowing that they can't kick the US
around. Carter ignored that, sending the message to everyone that
they can pull this and get away with it. If tjhe Iranians can do it,
why shouldn't the next country do what they please?

The Iranians committed an open act of war against the US. The
world might be a different place now, had Carter stood up to Islamic
extremists then and done the right thing. All he had to do was tell
...

I love it. No history at all. No mention of us putting their dictator
in power (remember that Shah guy?) because it was good for certain
multinational corporations. Nah, those Iranians had no good reason for
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Guys like you are never happy. When the US supports a dictator like
the Shah that was friendly to the west, who kept the Russians out
during the cold war, maintained a peaceful country and kept the worst
of the crazy Islamic extremists locked up, that was bad. When we
gave support to Saddam to keep the Iranians from winning the war with
Iraq and expanding further into the middle east, that's bad. If we
let a dictator like Saddam kill, torture, rape and invade other
countries, that's bad. If we then take out Saddam and try to give the
Iraqi people the right of self determination, that's bad. And if we
just pull out, and let 500,000 Iraqis die in a civil war, that will be
bad too.

Nothing will satisfy guys like you. If you found 500lbs of gold bars
buried in your yard, you'd bitch cause they were tarnished.

We very well might have had the best intentions in the world in
installing the Shah. We didn't, but that is for another day. The point
is, our support for the Shah eliminated all moderate secular
opposition, and left only the radical clerics. Thus the history that
apparently began with the "open act of war" needs a bit of
explanation.

We gave support to both Iran and Iraq during the war, happy to see as
many dead on both sides as possible. Pragmatic for you possibly, but I
think that our role in that war was disgusting.

To the best of my knowledge, much of gold's value is that it does not
tarnish. For the record, I would be happy to find gold bars in my
backyard. Oddly enough, last year some sort of sinkhole opened in my
yard. There was, unfortunately, nothing but air inside. It took much
dirt to fill that hole. Heavy dirt.