On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:25:13 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:11:48 -0800, SMS
wrote:

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

Most new cars recommend 3000 miles under severe conditions.

Not true.

Some recommend 3000. A lot more recommend 5000 for severe, 7500 for
"normal."

The real problem is that the oil change industry has apparently
convinced many people that just about all driving falls into the severe
service category, even though the manufacturer makes it perfectly clear
what they consider severe service, and in reality few people fall into
that category.

Since there's no real downside, at least for the vehicle, in having
unnecessary oil changes, the "cheap insurance" excuses is regularly
trotted out.

Are you going to believe Honda and Toyota, two companies that are
absolutely anal about their reputation for long term dependability, or
are you going to believe Jiffy Lube?

A person forks over $30,000.00 or $40,000.00 to one of those dealers
you speak of who says from behind his $500 suit, "Nah, just change
the oil every 5,000 miles and don't worry about. Excuse me, I've got
to talk to a customer"
Same person pulls into a Jiffy Lube maybe 4 times a year and hears
an earnest kid in greasy overalls say "Oil and filter changed, added 2
pounds of air to front left and right rear tire, air filter ok, trans
fluid ok, topped off the washer fluid. You might want to get your
serpentine belt checked, sir. It's frayed. That'll be $21.99, sir.
Thank you for using Jiffy Lube. See you in 3 months or 3000 miles."

What's the better experience?
Now it's time for you to trot out the tales of oil streaks on the road
leaving Jiffy Lube and a blown engine because the kid cross threaded
the drain plug.
You got your stories, I got mine.

--Vic


http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...be_damage.html

Raymond of Warminster PA (10/31/05)
My 2001 Camry was in the shop for an oil change on Sept. 06, 2005. Their
shop order indicated date of service as Aug.31. After driving to the
Jersey Shore on Wed., Sept. 07 and subsequent driving on Thurs. and
Friday I noticed a strange texture to the rear pasenger mat. On checking
further I found the floor flooded as was the case under the front
pasenger mat. It took two days of mopping and shop vac. at home to suck
up the water. On taking the car to my mechanic I learned that the air
conditioner drain hose had been deliberately shoved up into the car body
and that was the cause of the flood. It was fished down and the problem
was eleminated. The mechanic asured me that this could have only been
done deliberately as the hose was pushed well back from the opening.

I rather like this one....

"They also had poor customer service one of the employee that started on
my car went over to another customer's car and started smoking
marijuanna i made sure he didnt get back under my hood what good that
did it still got messed up all i want is my car fix I am a single
working mother attending school and it is hard trying to get around
without my own transportation I have to pay someone everyday to take me
around and i have missed days off work because i couldnt find someone I
call the region office and they told me I would hear from a distrct
manager I havent heard from one yet Would you please help me to get this
resolved.........

Gunner

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