What the Hell is a "esoteric value"? How does one measure "esoteric
values"? Is there a "esoteric value" meter?


Oh dear ! Clearly, English is your native language, but it would seem
that
there are some words that you just haven't come across ... Do they not
have
dictionaries wherever you are ? I actually agree with most of what you
have
said, and I never implied that I believed in golden ears, or anything
else
in the same vein. All I said, that seems to have created the rather
vitriolic response from Graham, was that I genuinely believed that there
were measurable differences in the performance of "audio grade" caps over
bog standard types, and that there were people out there who had made
those
tests. The reference to "esoteric values" is a tongue in cheek allusion
to
the 'snake oil experts' who will present complex-sounding measurements
that
are actually ********. For your further education ...

es·o·ter·ic /??s?'t?r?k/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[es-uh-ter-ik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-adjective 1. understood by or meant for only the select few who have
special knowledge or interest; recondite: poetry full of esoteric
allusions.
2. belonging to the select few.
3. private; secret; confidential.
4. (of a philosophical doctrine or the like) intended to be
revealed
only to the initiates of a group: the esoteric doctrines of Pythagoras.

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[Origin: 1645-55; Gk esoterikós inner, equiv. to ester(os) inner
+ -ikos -ic]

-Related forms
es·o·ter·i·cal·ly, adverb

-Synonyms 1. abstruse, arcane, cryptic, enigmatic.
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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source es·o·ter·ic
(es'?-ter'ik)
Pronunciation Key
adj.
1..
1.. Intended for or understood by only a particular group: an
esoteric cult. See Synonyms at mysterious.
2.. Of or relating to that which is known by a restricted
number
of people.
3.. Confined to a small group: esoteric interests.
4.. Not publicly disclosed; confidential.
2..
1.. Confined to a small group: esoteric interests.
2.. Not publicly disclosed; confidential.

[Greek esoterikos, from esotero, comparative of eso, within; see en
in
Indo-European roots.]

es'o·ter'i·cal·ly adv.

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WordNet - Cite This Source esoteric

adjective
confined to and understandable by only an enlightened inner circle;
"a
compilation of esoteric philosophical theories" [ant: exoteric]

Arfa d;~}

Ok, you have a dictionary definition of esoteric. You have so called
experts telling
you what esoteric is. What are there qualifications?
I don't recall seeing any engineering school classes on esoteric.
What makes these guys so much smarter than everyone else?
And why is so much of the stuff Voodoo science it seems?
And VERY costly to boot?

Like i said before, test caps with a standard, quantifiable test of
some sort. and put the charts with it to show in black and what
what the differences are. And under what conditions, loads and voltage
ratings.
Anybody can tell or sell you anything. that does
not make it true or better. There are still people selling magnets
that go on automotive fuel lines that claim give you
better mileage. After all these years! PT Barnum was right.

I am not against better quality components of any nature.
But i want to see the proof. Being in the service industry for
years, i am all for the best bang for the buck. These days its
a matter of survival in the service industry. In the quest for
that, i have been on both the good and bad end of component
sourcing. Sometimes you just need to find out for yourself.

Bob

Hey Bob

You're missing the point, old boy. " Esoteric " is what *defines* these
people as snake oil experts. We all know that the basic parameters for
measurement of a capacitor are primarily its capacitance and its ESR, and
secondarily, its leakage and inherent inductance. Its the nonsense such as
the " back-peddling quantum electron mobility count factor " and the "
sliding scalar blisticon enhancement constant " ( and no, neither of these
are real ) which are the sorts of 'esoteric' measurements that I am
referring to. The snake oil 'experts' talk amongst themselves in their
private clubs, as though such measurements are real, and just not understood
by what they consider to be the masses. Read the dictionary definition of
the word again, and see that I am just using it to take the ****, not to
make any *real* point ...

Arfa