What an idiot.
You have confused the rights of a citizen, with the rights of
non-citizens. Not only that, but non-citizens who seek to kill your
fellow citizens, and have already killed three thousand civillians in
an un-provoked attack. But you don't care about that, if you did, you
never would have made the argument you did. You care more about legal
arguments, than about the lives of victims of murderers. I question
your patriotism. You are no American. I beleive the true nature of
your argument, it's wellspring, is simply cowardice, and hatred,
specifically of the working class, (the class the communist's always
thought would rise up and overthrow their capitalist oppressor's...how
suprised they were, when the American working class told the commies to
stick it, and how betrayed they felt, and still feel) albiet gussied
up in respectable legal form. But, in the end, you watch women and
children die, and all you do is talk. And mostly you talk about what
we should not do, to stop it from happening again. It's unfortunate
you, and others of your kind, can't suffer the fate you deserve, which
is to die, blindfolded, by the side of the road, falling into the ditch
that you just dug, with your last words being, of course, ones of utter
suprise, how this is just impossible!
But I sleep better at night, knowing that this great, FREE, country is
well protected, not by useless and self-important traitors like you,
but by brave men and women, who, by the way, come from the lower and
middle classes, and not the effete and effeminate upper class, and who
know the price of freedom is not measured by the paragraph.
Hope you didn't lose too many billable hours writng your post's.
Interesting that you mention Mcarthyism, with no mention of what led up
to it, namely communist spies, and sympathizers, taking over unions, by
intimindations and beatings, ruining and blacklisting any who opposed
them, for years beforehand. There was indeed a commiunist scare, it
was caused by communist spies and their friends. But the commies still
around don't want us to remember that. Just like the Wahhabbi's have
there friends in this country now...but I suspect you, the great
defender of our freedoms (as long as we are not actually alive to claim
them) already know that.
Prometheus wrote:
On 2 Nov 2006 05:40:22 -0800, wrote:
Bob Martin wrote:
in 1324916 20061101 193059 wrote:
CW wrote:
Just call him a suspected terrorist then he can be sent to Guantanamo, no
charges needed.
Yeah, and can you believe there are some a'holes that want to do away
with Gitmo??!!! I guess they want more due process and more rights for
the dirtbags that have openly declared war on us and society. Ya gotta
wonder what they're thinking or whose side they're on...
Just don't cry when they send you there.
I don't need to worry about that. I am an honest hardworking citizen. I
don't fraternize with terrorists or enemies of the state. Gitmo is
there for those people, not me. Do you really think of America as "The
Evil Empire" just looking for excuses to lock up honest people who
disagree with "the regime"? If that were true (and it's not), a lot of
very public, very outspoken anti-establishment activists would be
disappearing unexplainably. If they are not locking them up, why would
the lock me up (along with every other average citizen)? Your alarmist
BS has no substance.
Horse****. I thought your first post was toungue-in-cheek.
So what happens if a different political party gains power and decides
that your ilk are dangerous to society? There are very good reasons
why we have due process and Habeus Corpus. Sometimes the guys who
have to enforce the law make mistakes, and the court system is there
to (at least try) to sort those out according to a reasoned process.
These are basic human rights that date back to the 13th century, and
are not to be casually trifled with because the idea that some bad men
halfway around the world might come on camelback to get you makes you
**** your panties.
Law is an incremental process, they start small, with test cases to
establish a precedent. Once the precident is set, it becomes very
difficult to overturn- it's not impossible to disregard precedent, but
it is generally not done in our legal system. So they start with
"terrorists," (I use the word in quotes because without charges or
systematic review, any one of those people could be a grocer from Iran
who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time- the point is, we
can't know, because the evidence is hidden) and once that is
established, it can be applied in incremental steps to broaden it's
effective range of applications. Next might be home-grown militia
groups- I don't care for them, and chances are you don't either. Even
though they're citizens, they could easily be labeled terrorists. If
the courts uphold the suspension of Habeus Corpus for even one US
citizen, the precedent is firmly established, and can be broadened
through a series of small steps- maybe child molestors, arsonists,
murderers and thieves are next. Most of the people will so treated
will likely be guilty- if there's much doubt, the courts won't uphold
the initial cases.
So a few years from now, when the precedent is firmly established, it
can become a tool of politics. Chances are, you'll never end up in a
camp- but a challenger in a political race whom you may have wished to
vote for very well could. Or a newscaster who has a story that
embarrases the administration. Or a Union leader. You get the idea
(I hope.)
Nobody is for the goddamn terrorists. That's a cheap and dispicable
con game on the order of the old "So, have you stopped beating your
wife yet?" question. Just because someone disagrees with your 5th
grade understanding of the world and how it works, that doesn't mean
they're out to get you and yours. In this case, they're looking out
for your best interests, even though it seems fairly apparent that you
deserve anything you get- after all, you're *asking* for it.
If you really think that honest, hardworking citizens can't be
railroaded by a political trend, you need to do some research into
McCarthyism. Here's a link for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy
It's not alarmist bull****. It happened. It's a matter of public
record, and it was not that long ago.
Even with Habeus Corpus intact, thousands of innocent citizens were
smeared by unfounded rumors and accusations that often cost them their
jobs and families. Most had nothing to do with Communism whatsoever-
it was a political tool, just as the term "terrorist" is. McCarthy
was able to ruin many lives with nothing more than rumor, innuendo,
and agressive "investigation" techniques. Think of how much more
damaging his reckless slander campaign might have been had he been
able to simply whisk the people he suspected away to a camp on foreign
soil- never to be seen or heard from again.
You must, I repeat, must, respect and defend the right of Habeus
Corpus in EVERY SINGLE instance. If you don't, one day your head
could be the one on the chopping block- and you will have no say in
the matter, having given your right to defend yourself away long
before. You might see the value of the right to see and challenge the
evidence against you then- but of course, that knowledge will have
come too late.