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Default Rob offers his apologies.

Tim Daneliuk (in ) said:

| Morris Dovey wrote:
|| Tim Daneliuk (in
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|||| False. Not only can we win without abandoning our principles, we
|||| cannot win if we do.
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|||| Abandonment of our principles is suicide.
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||| So is clinging to them to the point where we are annihilated.
||| Survival comes before legal nuance notwithstanding the fantasyland
||| inhabited by a good many of the war critics.
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|| It would seem that you've not noticed the rather large number of
|| men and women who valued our principles more highly than their
|| personal survival - and the lesser (but still awesomely large)
|| number who did not, in fact, survive - all so that you and I might
|| live in what you so casually refer to as "fantasyland".
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|| If you choose to discard our fundamental principles in favor of
|| some hoped-for longevity; most will understand - and I would guess
|| that most will also be ashamed for you.
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| It is not a "fundamental principle" that we roll over and play dead
| for combatants hiding behind civilian garb. It is not a
| "fundamental principle" that such individuals be extended the
| benefits of our social contract. It is not a "fundamental
| principle" that such individuals should be entirely free of duress,
| discomfort, and even intimidation. Only in the degenerate lexicon
| of the New Intellectual are these "principles" of any sort. And
| *I* and thoroughly ashamed of *them* - the people that insist I
| commit suicide and then try to hide behind some perverse and
| malignant reinterpretation of Liberty to suit their ideological
| stupidities. You do not negotiate with Evil, you crush it to death
| with extreme violence so that the crushing is quick and complete.
| But our fine New Intellectual degenerates cannot even utter the
| notion that Evil even exists. They're too busy trying to
| rehabilitate child predators, terrorist, despots, and fools.
|
| Your premises are lousy and your conclusions correspondingly worse.

Then we have irreconcilable differences of opinion. My first principle
was aptly set forth by Jefferson when he wrote: "We hold these truths
to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, ..." In my mind
and heart, I broaden "men" to "persons"; and I add emphasis to "all."

I believe that every person is accountable for what they do. I believe
that within the purview of the USA, all persons should be subject to
the same legal standards. If (for example) within our purview, the
crime is murder - then the offender should be tried for that crime;
and if found guilty, punished in the same manner as other murderers. I
do not find it appropriate to maintain different systems or standards
of justice for arbitrary groupings of persons.

I understand your desire for retribution for wrongs; as well as your
loathing of evil and your desire to eliminate it. I also understand
that you would impose your own personal notion of justice (and perhaps
your own personal definition of evil) on all the rest of the world.
I've seen this before - and don't need more.

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Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto