"Ed Huntress" wrote
"Gunner" wrote

Sorry, Gunner. Every one of those states, except for Vermont, has a
list of
"Prohibited Persons" who are not allowed to buy a handgun -- or a
gun of any
kind, in many states. The list ranges from felons, to people who have a
restraining order on them, to adults who were convicted of
possessing pot as
a kid, to people who are addicted to painkillers (Ohio), depending on the
state.


Ah..every state has a Prohibited persons list..at the least related to
federal law where a felon whom has not has his/her rights restored may
not posess or own a firearm.

And many of them quite a bit more extensive. 'Want to see the list?

Including Vermont which defaults to Federal standards.

It was assumed that the In 25 states comment, that only those not
prohibited from owning (GCA 68 IRRC) were the ones in discussion.

"Assumed"? By whom? Isn't that what Richard and you were getting on my case
about in the first place?

Ed, as much as I hate to say it, Gunner is right. The _unqualified_
statement "Anyone can buy a gun, strap it on, and go out in public,"
has only two possible meanings. 1) Those who can do so legally, or 2)
_anyone_ at all (legally or not). Which one the original comment had
in mind, I don't know. Your own argument falls, if you _do not_ except
illegal carriers. In the last week, Indiana, which has relatively
"good" laws, has seen a couple of "carrying without a permit" arrests.
Even you must admit that the criminally inclined, will carry a pistol,
regardless of the laws.

Therefore, we must be discussing those *legally* permitted to own
guns, desiring to "buy and carry." Which means that while you all are
wrong, you all are also right. For example, in the Carolinas(?), you
can "carry openly," but any idiot can say that he/she feels threatened
by that, and have you arrested for "brandishing." Which is akin to
feeling threatened because Grocery stores sell liquor.

This is a situation you have pointed out in relation to other areas
before. What you can _legally_ do, and what you _ought_ to do, are
often two different things.:-E) Indiana, AFAIK, doesn't discriminate
between concealed and open carry, with a permit. However, LE *prefers*
that it be concealed. Meaning, if some idiot accuses you of
"Brandishing," you _will_ be arrested, probably convicted, and likely
lose the permit. All because someone is "afraid" of an inanimate
object.

Believe it or not, on a news show (I believe), someone was actually
unhappy that *police* carry guns. The "lunatic fringe" of whatever
stripe, is now a significant number of people. And they are finding
lawmakers, news media, and others, willing to pander to them. Assuming
that they have not achieved actual positions of power, themselves.

As for you, Gunner, and Richard, you are coming from two different
positions. Similar to approaching zero from the plus or minus
direction. You all say much the same things, but very different
starting points. Which is why oyu are all correct, and all of you are
wrong.

In every state/province, and the UK, you can "buy a gun, 'put it on'
and walk around in public." Criminals do it every day, and do not
desire or need any permit. It is impossible to prevent, without a
total police state. Now, is it possible to do this _legally_? Yes, in
some states. IIRC, New Mexico allows open carry, but not "concealed."
Some, allow "concealed," but not open. Others, either one, but you get
hassled if the gun is not concealed. AT the other end, is NY state.
You can carry, *if* you can get a permit. Just try to get one if your
name is not Rockefeller/Clinton/etc. IOW, depending on how you define
your terms, gun laws can be described in any manner.

And as I said, want to see the list?

Of
course in all 50 states and assorted territories, those prohibited
persons will obtain a firearm from less than legal sources and carry
any which way they chose, no matter how unlawful their status makes
the practice.

Wait a minute. I thought the discussion was about those states that ALLOW
"anyone" to buy a gun, etc. Now you want to switch it to criminals?

You just argued the reverse of that, a few paras back.

If your argument has any meaning here, it's that the laws don't matter
anyway, and that everybody can buy a gun anywhere, etc. In which case,
"Ford's" point about those states that ALLOW you to buy a gun, etc., is
completely meaningless. Is that where you really want to go? I didn't think
so.

Laws do not matter, *unless* you are inclined to obey them. This has
been true throughout history. There always have been, and always will
be those who obey only because they want to (unafraid of punishment).
I am, at least AFAIK, a "law abiding person," but I can obtain a gun,
without going through any legal process. And, I do not mean "buying at
a gun show."

Symantic word games are where you are going as some form of disproof?
Or simply changing the rules in mid game?

No, symantic word games is where YOU and RICHARD are going as some form of
proof. Richard seems to want to follow exactly what the words mean,
including his strict definition of "permit." So, you can stick to what
"anyone" means. Fair enough?

Ed Huntress

Walter Daniels