On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:29:23 GMT, Alan Moore
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:42:27 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:15:03 GMT, Alan Moore
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:09:20 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:24:55 GMT, Alan Moore
wrote:

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As a child I went hungry because of the criminal character of another
american institution -- the House Committee on Un-American Activities
-- whose investigation caused my father to be blacklisted and unable
to find employment, although they failed to turn up any wrongdoing of
any kind.

Bummer. Was he a Communist? Its ok to speak freely now.

He was eventually court-martialled on a charge of "disloyalty". The
principal piece of evidence against him was testimony to the effect
that he had disagreed with the statement: "Should he come to power in
Jugoslavia, Tito will be a puppet of Stalin." By 1956 it was pretty
clear that the original statement was false, and he was found not
guilty. He considered himself lucky that he wen't before a court
martial, rather than a civilian court in those days. He was a poor boy
from the rural deep south, and an organizer for the steelworkers
union. You now know as much of his politics in those days as I do.

If he was an organizer..then he was likely associating with at the
least..Socialists..which in the 50s..was not a good thing,

That would have been in the '30s. Long before I was born

Wobblies. Not well respected at the best of times....ask Leslie the
loonie.

particularly in the South.

By that time, he was in Ohio. That's where my Mom was from.

It depends on which sort of organizer he
was..and which Union he belonged to and who his associates were.

You believe in guilt by association? No wonder you seem to approve of
the notion of rehabilitating the late unlamented Senator from
Wisconsin...

Do I believe? No. But it was evident someone did......

Ah...Clinton, rode the Reagan economic rocket. Sorry buddy..but thats
the truth.

Voodoo economics worked, eh? And Bush adn Carter had nothing to do
with it. Frankly, I think the bubble was bogus to begin with. As
Gurtured Stein said of Oakland, "There's no there there..."

Now on the other hand..
If he was responsible for the economy..then we can safely say he was
responsible for the last 3 yrs of recession we are just coming out of,
correct? He is responsible for the demise of the machine tool
industry, the manufacturing in the US, the energy crisis and the
foreign policies that lead us to 9/11. Not to mention the Enron
scandal, and the explosion of the Dot Com bubble and millions of
people loosing their retirement funds.

I seem to recall the Enron debacle having something to do with
retirement fund losses. I also seem to recall that we here in CA had
some trouble with Enron -- like about $50 billion worth -- wiht Bush
perfectly happpy to help them out but unwilling to meet with any of
our elected representatives to discuss the matter. Maybe your
recollection is different. Does Bush plan to get us any of that money
back? Or is he just going to keep on giving it to his friends?

Tch Al...you avoided the question completly. Do go back and answer it
thankyouveddymuch.

Is that what you are claiming?

If that is so..then you must also be claiming that Bush then is
responsible for the end of the recession, the very strong upturn in
manufacturing, the rising Dow and the rather large productive numbers
that we are seeing, the housing market boom, etc etc

And the low employment figures, and the falling dollar, and...

Again he avoids the questions..odd how that happens when he is given a
simple choice.

Al...think hard before answering.....

Sometimes I do. Sometimes the answers are obvious from inspection.
and C..sometimes you are simply a party hack. Shrug.

Al Moore

Gunner

" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age...
I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues
as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity,
bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity,
fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable
choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with
every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we
accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we
kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for
Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and
then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We
*assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his
fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation
to keep the State out of the church business, we've
destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*.
Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives