On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:15:03 GMT, Alan Moore
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:09:20 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:24:55 GMT, Alan Moore
wrote:

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As a child I went hungry because of the criminal character of another
american institution -- the House Committee on Un-American Activities
-- whose investigation caused my father to be blacklisted and unable
to find employment, although they failed to turn up any wrongdoing of
any kind.

Bummer. Was he a Communist? Its ok to speak freely now.

He was eventually court-martialled on a charge of "disloyalty". The
principal piece of evidence against him was testimony to the effect
that he had disagreed with the statement: "Should he come to power in
Jugoslavia, Tito will be a puppet of Stalin." By 1956 it was pretty
clear that the original statement was false, and he was found not
guilty. He considered himself lucky that he wen't before a court
martial, rather than a civilian court in those days. He was a poor boy
from the rural deep south, and an organizer for the steelworkers
union. You now know as much of his politics in those days as I do.

If he was an organizer..then he was likely associating with at the
least..Socialists..which in the 50s..was not a good thing,
particularly in the South. It depends on which sort of organizer he
was..and which Union he belonged to and who his associates were.


Perhaps that's the kind of America you want to see, Gunner, one in
which the innocent suffer for what some demagogue decides is the
common good. But that's not the real America. There's a good reason
why we no longer have a house committee on un-American activities.

Your interpretation of my mindset is noted, and tossed in the trash.

No, I'll drink the toast of Senator and General Carl Schurz: "My
country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to
be set right."

And I agree.

It seems to me that there's some setting right to be done.

Al Moore

There always is, no matter whom the occupant of 1600 Penn Ave is. I
happen to believe this occupant is doing rather well in repairing the
damage done by other previous occupants.

Well, if you consider low inflation and high employment figures
"damage" I'd have to agree. Bush seems to be doing a pretty fair job
of "fixing" those.

Al Moore

Ah...Clinton, rode the Reagan economic rocket. Sorry buddy..but thats
the truth.

Now on the other hand..
If he was responsible for the economy..then we can safely say he was
responsible for the last 3 yrs of recession we are just coming out of,
correct? He is responsible for the demise of the machine tool
industry, the manufacturing in the US, the energy crisis and the
foreign policies that lead us to 9/11. Not to mention the Enron
scandal, and the explosion of the Dot Com bubble and millions of
people loosing their retirement funds.

Is that what you are claiming?

If that is so..then you must also be claiming that Bush then is
responsible for the end of the recession, the very strong upturn in
manufacturing, the rising Dow and the rather large productive numbers
that we are seeing, the housing market boom, etc etc

Al...think hard before answering.....

Gunner

" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age...
I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues
as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity,
bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity,
fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable
choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with
every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we
accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we
kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for
Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and
then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We
*assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his
fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation
to keep the State out of the church business, we've
destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*.
Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives