On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:22:07 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .

Recent releases of Soviet documents have shown that there were indeed
a great number of clandistine Communist activists among those
blacklisted. Jumping Joe McCarthy was an oportunistic clod..but as it
turns out, he was indeed correct in far more cases than previously
accepted. People who did provide aid, information etc to the
Soviets. Do the websearches on this fascinating topic. Its rather
moot now, as the USSR is kaput..but those individuals in many cases
are still alive.

He was right that there were a lot of communists, the treasonous kind, in
the US government. However, he got almost all of the names wrong. So he was
on the right scent but he made up the list of names for the most part.


I did critique Joe, did I not?

Its very hard for anyone, to not use their own prejudices and mindset
in such matters. Particularly for those whom have not devoted any
appreciable amount of time to listening to both sides of an issue,
before forming a judgment. Once an individual has heard and understood
both sides of an issue, he can then form a rock hard Stand on
something, but that must include data, and fact, rather than solely
emotional content.

cough, cough...

You seem to be confusing the emotion with which I defend my position,
with the position itself.


As you may have guessed..Im a bit opinionated G..

gak! cough, wheeze...

but my opinions and
Stand on an issue are based on data, reason, logic and very little
emotion.

CHOKE! gasp, hack, cough...

You seem to be confusing the emotion with which I defend my position,
with the position itself.


...Because of this, I tend to be something of a pragmatist. I know what
IS, and what things Should be, and tend to try to work a compromise
with both, but never letting Should be overload what Is.

Wait a minute. You live in California. How the hell do you expect anyone to
believe you know what IS? The whole state is just a stage set, and your
government is run by actors and out-of-work entertainers.

The state of California..hell..the county I live in is bigger than
your entire state. I live smack dab in the middle of gun owning,
conservative blue collar, dont suffer fools willingly country. Most of
the land mass of California is such. Its only in less than 6 areas
that the morons live. California has been run by the flakes and nutz
on the Left for many years, they tend to gravitate to those urban
areas from other places..."give us your liberals, your waste, your
stupid masses"...

Btw...the current Governor..while an actor, is making the Libs
livid..LOL and its a glory to behold. While he is not a conservatives
conservative, he is, compared to the fruits and flakes..a Bircher..and
they think he is one..God its refreshing to see Maxine Waters foaming
at the mouth in true, rather than mock rage, knowing it was her
constituints which put him there.


Probably the most reality oriented political group in the US, is the
libertarians.

AAaaaaah, thud....

hummm looks like a debate on the subject is in the offering. G want
to take a shot at it?

Cold hard facts are the basis of their platform, no
matter how emotionaly they argue it G. And because they neither use
religion or emotion as a basis..they get flack from both the Right and
the Left.

Not to mention the people who have to put up with their made-up version of
history and their utopian idea of free-range social Darwinism and
no-holds-barred business wheeling and dealing.

Granted..some of the Libertarians (large L) are no less zany than
those on the Left..but they tend to be my kind of zany.

Lets be practical here for a moment..

I thought you were a libertarian.

Im a Republitarian. A pragmatic libertarian (small L) Big difference.
While the Libertarians have reality (most of them) on their side..they
are not realistic about quick change. The inertia of the Left/Right is
a powerful thing to change directions. Im pragmatic enough to know it
will take time, and the change has to be implimented from the bottom.
The Libertarians (large L) want it over night and from the top down.
Never happen.

Now we Republitarians are indeed making progress and are filling the
void for many moderate to conservative Democrats, as the Democratic
party self destructs. We do live in interesting times.

Gunner

" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age...
I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues
as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity,
bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity,
fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable
choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with
every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we
accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we
kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for
Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and
then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We
*assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his
fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation
to keep the State out of the church business, we've
destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*.
Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives