Carl Nisarel wrote:

BottleBob wrote

...

Actually, I was only pointing out the apparent falseness of your
accusation that Richard Lewis was making his data up out of thin air,
when he said hundreds of thousands of people are victims of violence
every year.

Richard didn't say what you just wrote. He said something entirely
different.

Carl:

Entirely different? Well let me go back and look.....

JTMcC seems to be the one who used this phrase first:
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"...is assaulted by a unethical criminal, intent on taking stuff and
doing bodily
harm to your loved one..."
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Carl replied:
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Why do you gunners keep using that irrelevant and idiotic appeal to
emotion fallacy?

You're just demonstrating that you are not intelligent enough to
figure out how to deal with life without a gun.
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Incidentally, where could I have EVER got the impression you were
anti-gun.
Anyway back to the progression.

Richard replied:
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It happens hundreds of thousands of times a year.
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Carl wrote:
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Having a "'loved one' assaulted by a unethical criminal, intent on
taking stuff and doing bodily harm" does not happen hundreds of
thousands of times a year.
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Richard wrote:
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Armed robberies in the US in 2000....408K; rape....90K;
assault....910K etc etc etc.

Sure looks like "hundreds of thousands of times a year" to
me..
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Carl wrote:
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Do you make it a habit of creating numbers out of thin air?
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BottleBob wrote:
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http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/pdf/2sectiontwo.pdf

For 2002
Rapes 95,136
Robberies 420,637
Assaults 894,348
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Back to real time here. First: it seems that Richard didn't originally
make the "...is assaulted by a unethical criminal, intent on taking
stuff and doing bodily harm to your loved one..." comment.

Second: You claimed Having a "'loved one' assaulted by a unethical
criminal, intent on taking stuff and doing bodily harm" does not happen
hundreds of
thousands of times a year.

Third: My posting of essentially the same numbers from the FBI site
showed that your original assertion of there NOT being hundreds of
thousands of victims of violence was unfounded, EVEN if we subtract 3/4
of the cases.

Fourth: You accused Richard of creating numbers out of thin air. That
accusation was also shown to be false, even if he made the boo-boo of
mislabeling the robbery data (which had no effect on the numbers
themselves).

Is this all clear now?


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