Gunner wrote
On 8 Dec 2003 19:20:55 -0800, (Carl
Nisarel) wrote:
Gunner wrote
On 8 Dec 2003 09:44:46 -0800, (Carl
Nisarel) wrote:
Gunner wrote ..
The link below is a pretty decent report on the bogus data or spin put
on any gun study.
http://reason.com/9704/fe.cdc.shtml
It's the typical BS from Don Kates.
The authors use the typical gunner lies.
They wrote about Kellerman: "Consider a 1993 New England Journal of
Medicine study that, according to press reports, "showed that keeping
a gun in the home nearly triples the likelihood that someone in the
household will be slain there." This claim cannot be verified because
Kellerman will not release the data."
Kellerman's data was released and is easy to find.
http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/cgi/archive.prl?study=6898
And easily refuted
Kates' assertion cannot be 'refuted' since it is false.
That fact whizzed right over your head.
It's still flying well over your head.
Unlike Kellerman, Kleck's award-winning study has been peer-reviewed."
Kellerman's studies were peer-reviewed.
And found incorrect.
And somehow "BottleBob" thinks you are more well-informed.
First you mindlessly parrot the claim that Kellerman's study wasn't
peer-reviewed and then when that lie is noted, you try a different
tactic.
If the result of the peer-review was that his research was incorrect,
then it wouldn't have been published. That's the purpose of
peer-review. Since it was published in a journal after going through
the peer-review process, it demonstrates that the peer-review did
'find it' correct.
It will be entertaining to watch how you decide to spin that.
A typical comment from a criminalogist about Kellerman:
" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:09:16 -0600 From: Rick Lowe
Rick Lowe is in law enforcement and only has undergraduate degrees. He
is neither qualified nor trained to evaluate research.
LOL...and you?
My credentials are irrelevant to the fact that Rick Lowe is not
qualified nor trained to evaluate research.
Nonetheless, I am qualified, trained, and publish peer-reviewed
research.
It will be entertaining to watch you spin that one.
......
You just mindlessly parrot what other people have written and don't
even realize that what they wrote is false.
So far..Im batting 300.
You're batting .000
.....
Here's another one that you can't handle:
.....
Wiebe, D. 2003. "Injury Prevention Homicide and suicide risks
associated with firearms in the home: A national case-control study,"
Annals of Emergency Medicine, 41:781-781.
http://www.locksley.com/6696/guns2.htm
There's nothing in there that refutes Wiebe's research.
Cites?
It's your website, idiot.
That's another swing and a miss. You're still batting .000