Gideon,

More estimating tips:

In my pursuit for $50.00 per hour as a handyman - "home repair specialist" I
have started giving estimates as a price range. I am doing a job tomorrow
that will take 6 to 8 hours. I gave them an estimate of $400 to $500
including materials. I have been doing this for about 6 months and it has
worked very well. I don't always make my $50.00 per hour but I have always
hit over $40.00 per hour.

Considering that I don't have 40 billable hours per week and no vacation pay
or benifits, $40 to $50 is a bargain in my eyes. I have found most of my
customers are willing to pay $40 per hour but very few are willing to pay
$50. Giving them a "price range" enables me to reach my $50 per hour with
less resistance.

Craig

www.vintagetrailersforsale.com


"Gideon" wrote in message
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Hello,

I am hoping for some reasonable opinions on the amount of
time necessary to do some painting.

Some background:

My son in his early 20's and has spend the past 11 summers
doing a variety of chores for neighbors. He has done light
electrical work, mowing, landscaping, light HVAC, light plumbing,
powerwashing, painting, moderate construction and demolition,
auto detailing, gutter cleaning, some carpentry, snow removal,
varmint control, etc, etc.

His current minimum hourly rate is $15 per hour up to $25 per
hour, depending upon the job. Through Boy Scouting and Eagle
Scout projects he has a lot of additional experiences, such as
window repairs, hardwood floor refinishing, some trim work,
painting, ceiling & wall replacements, etc.

He has had almost no complaints over his 11 years or work. He
has had a few "complaints" from divorced women who think that
$12 to mow an average lawn is about twice what it is worth. A few
of these tightwads have commented that they work for $7-8 per hour
and they feel that a kid mowing a lawn shouldn't be paid any more
than that. We always offer to go with then to Lowes to assist them
in buying their own mower, gas container, and service contract.
They always decline.

Ok. In this specific case, he has had his first significant complain
for a job. The customer wants to paint a 20x24 foot garage which
had green walls. They wanted the garage re-painted using white
"Kilz" stain blocker. Two coats of paint for the walls and ceiling,
plus two cycles of trim painting and cutting in at boundary areas.
This also included a few hours of prep and clean up: Spackling,
sanding, priming, emptying the garage, sweeping, vacuuming, drop
cloths, etc.

Specifics:
Approximately 1088 feet of wall and ceiling area to be painted.
Almost half of that is ceiling work. This includes the 20x24
garage, with a few cut-outs, included a double door.

200 linear feet of "cut in" painting. For corner areas, we are
counting each linear foot twice, since he paints one side then
comes back later to paint the second surface. Over half of the
"cut in" work requires a ladder and frequent ladder moving.

Over 100 linear feet of "trim" - this includes case molding, difficult
2x4 rough trim around the garage door, attic access opening, etc.

There are several items to work around: A variety of cables and
wires running through the garage, a concrete chimney, garage door
rails, garage door, garage door opener, etc.

The customers were extremely surprised that the prep work plus the
first coat took him a rather long day to finish. They had expected
all prep, 2 coats of Kilz, and clean up in an 8 hour day. Comments?

I stopped by and watched my son working on this job. He is not a
professional painter, but he does have experience and he worked
extremely hard with no breaks except a 15 minute lunch break. I
felt that he started off overly careful and slow for the first hour or so,
but worked at a very fast pace after that.

I've worked with Kilz before. I've done large areas with it and I love
the
results. But the coverage is a lot less than with regular paint and I
feel that it takes much longer to apply. I felt that my son was working
at a very respectable rate for this material.

The customers are not particular happy - they feel that he should be
moving much faster. As I said, we discovered after the first coat that
they expected all prep, 2 coats, and clean up done in 8 hours. My
son is also not particularly happy. He busted his ass and isn't coming
close to half the pace that they expect.

Obviously, we are going to suggest that they get somebody else to
complete the job. But, how far off is my son in his performance? I had
my first employment as a painter exactly 45 years ago this summer.
I've done a lot of painting since then and I'm starting to wonder just
how quickly a pro can do a decent job of paint and trimming. I certainly
can't come close to working at the speed that these customers expect.

One final comment: The homeowners claim that they got an estimate
from a "pro" who paints for $10 per hour. They got an estimate from
him for several painting tasks. Without telling my son, they used those
low-ball estimates in their expectations on what my son (at $15 per
hour) should charge for the jobs. Which says to me, that they expect
him to work 50% faster than this $10/hour hack who gave them an
estimate. If they hire this $10 "pro", I am very eager to stop by and
watch him work.

Once again, I'm going to encourage my son to drop this job. He is
worth $15-$30+ per hour to me for work that he does around the house,
and I can put him to work every hour this summer that he is not employed
for somebody else. But I still need some input for the future to
determine
what is a reasonable hourly rate and hourly performance for any future
painting jobs he may get.

As long as I'm requesting opinions: The customers also want their
basement
walls painted. They have concrete block walls, approximately 160 linear
feet
by 7" high. This is about 1120 square feet of painting - a lot easier
than
painting a garage, but still non-trivial. Any estimates for applying one
coat of Kilz? He will probably turn down this job also, but what is a
reasonable estimate to complete it?

Thanks,
Gideon