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We can agree that the coyote abuse the HELL out of their
customers in all sorts of ways. Well publicized case here in
South texas where a 18 wheeler driver walked away from a rig in
90+ degree heat leaving 20 some odd Hispanic refugees to nearly
all die in the heat last year.

However, the quantity of heroin and other controlled drugs sold
in the USA cannot be accounted for solely by the actions of
mules. Yes, there are drug mules, but I doubt that the folks
who crontrol the bulk of the narcotics trade use mules to move
their product. Yes Jamacians use mules to move drugs into
Europe. I have doubts that the massive cocaine production in
South America, the massive poppy fields across Asia move into
the markets of the USA and Europe to any significant degree in
the guts of mules. Its hundreds of tons of this stuff consumed
each year, it can't all be coming in the guts of mules, only a
very very minor portion can be accounted for in this manner.



Which has NOTHING to do with the fact that it's illegal and
illegal "immigrants" are the ones committing the felonies by
being drug mules. How much doesn't matter,it's STILL a felony
crime.This is just WEASELLING AWAY from the claim that Mexican
illegals don't commit crimes when coming to the US.





We can both agree that crossing any of the borders of the USA
without permission is a violation of US Immigration Law, and we
SHOULD not treat violators of this law any differently than
violators of any other law. However, we do treat them differently
than other criminals. Police forces (state and local) are not
on the lookout to arrest them, neither are National Guard, or the
FBI. Their faces and names are not posted in Post Offices and
Police Stations. We only have the US Border Patrol (on land) and
their bosses at the INS to enforce this law, and they do not have
the resources to shutdown illegal immigration. Heck the INS
cannot detect when a student overstays their visa to study at one
of our universities.

But to suggest that the heart of our drug problems would be
solved by getting rid of illegal immigrants who are being used as
drug mules is LUDICROUS!!! We cannot possibly attribute illegals
who act as mules for the TONS of cocaine, marijuana, heroin,
hashish, etc that flow from the Third World nations to other
parts of the world, USA included. Yes, Columbia uses Mexico as a
path to the USA. They also use Florida, and most of the Gulf
Coast states to move their product into our system. If drug mules
were eliminated, the drug lords would find some other method to
get the product in. Heck, it would only make a difference to the
marginal distributor one who only needed to move modest amounts
of product anyway.



Drugs are also coming over land borders with Canada, and even by
canoe in a few places, according to an interesting news story I
saw a couple of years back. And, the Coast Guard has stated
clearly that there's no way they can track every single pleasure
boat that crosses the Great Lakes or the St. Lawrence River.





Which has nothing to do with the Mexican border,where the majority
of illegal entry into the US occurs.

You an Gammon are trying to twist the argument into something else.



if we talk about illegals, we need to talk about ALL illegals, not
just Mexicans, but those from Central and South America, Asia,
Canada, Eastern Europe, Africa.


Their numbers are not as great as the Mexicans,as they do not share
borders with the US(where they can just walk across),or like
Canada,don't have a great number of people WANTING to move here.I've
read that 40% of Mexicans want to move to the US;That is a HUGE
number that we cannot assimilate.



We are merely pointing out that Mexican illegals are not our only
problem, and that drug smuggling by illegal Mexicans is a minor part
of the US drug supply and a minor portion of the Mexican illegals
are participating in this drug trafficing.



And we are pointing out that many of them commit other criminal acts
once having committed the FIRST criminal act of illegal entry.

your attempt at minimalizing the problems has failed.


Let let only those WITHOUT sin cast stones at others!!!

Never gotten a speeding ticket, never exceeded the speed limit, never
been involved in an auto accident (your fault or not does not matter),
never dropped a piece of paper/plastic on the street, a lawn or
sidewalk, never played your car radio or stereo/TV in your house loud
enough for others to hear

Some minor portion

Hardly "minor".
(attempting to minimize the problem.)

of the illegal entrants (yes it is against the law
to enter without permission) do participate in OTHER crimes once they
are here, or commit some OTHER crime while crossing the border on
their way to their ultimate destination (breaking and entering, theft,
littering, loitering, public intoxication, transport of illegal
substances, driving without a US drivers license, driving without
liability insurance, speeding)

Once they reach their destination and find work, the list gets MUCH
shorter.

Nonsense;they keep on driving without license,insurance,they use fake
documents to secure work.they still commit other crimes,too.
AGAIN,you try to mimimize the problems.

Mexicans are not our ONLY illegal immigrants. They are not our ONLY
illegal immigrants who commit other crimes once they reach our soil.

No,just the majority.

That they are the largest single group does not matter. All groups
seeking entry need EQUAL treatment under the law, Mexico, Guatemala,
Belize, Columbia, Venezula, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua....

The vast majority of illegals are Mexicans,because of the shared border.


Keep in mind that tens of thousands of Mexicans cross the border every
day, legally, and return home at night after a day of shopping in
Brownsville, Laredo, El Paso, San Diego.

Which has NOTHING to do with illegal entrants.
No one is talking about excluding LEGAL entrants,*except you folks*.

Some take extended trips into the interior, I see Mexican license
plates on NICE cars here in the streets of Houston TX from time to
time.




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