Jim Yanik wrote:
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Jim Yanik wrote:

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Jim Yanik wrote:


Robert Gammon wrote in
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We can agree that the coyote abuse the HELL out of their customers
in all sorts of ways. Well publicized case here in South texas
where a 18 wheeler driver walked away from a rig in 90+ degree heat
leaving 20 some odd Hispanic refugees to nearly all die in the heat
last year.

However, the quantity of heroin and other controlled drugs sold in
the USA cannot be accounted for solely by the actions of mules.
Yes, there are drug mules, but I doubt that the folks who crontrol
the bulk of the narcotics trade use mules to move their product.
Yes Jamacians use mules to move drugs into Europe. I have doubts
that the massive cocaine production in South America, the massive
poppy fields across Asia move into the markets of the USA and
Europe to any significant degree in the guts of mules. Its
hundreds of tons of this stuff consumed each year, it can't all be
coming in the guts of mules, only a very very minor portion can be
accounted for in this manner.



Which has NOTHING to do with the fact that it's illegal and illegal
"immigrants" are the ones committing the felonies by being drug
mules. How much doesn't matter,it's STILL a felony crime.This is
just WEASELLING AWAY from the claim that Mexican illegals don't
commit crimes when coming to the US.





We can both agree that crossing any of the borders of the USA
without permission is a violation of US Immigration Law, and we
SHOULD not treat violators of this law any differently than violators
of any other law. However, we do treat them differently than other
criminals. Police forces (state and local) are not on the lookout
to arrest them, neither are National Guard, or the FBI. Their faces
and names are not posted in Post Offices and Police Stations. We
only have the US Border Patrol (on land) and their bosses at the INS
to enforce this law, and they do not have the resources to shutdown
illegal immigration. Heck the INS cannot detect when a student
overstays their visa to study at one of our universities.

But to suggest that the heart of our drug problems would be solved by
getting rid of illegal immigrants who are being used as drug mules is
LUDICROUS!!! We cannot possibly attribute illegals who act as mules
for the TONS of cocaine, marijuana, heroin, hashish, etc that flow
from the Third World nations to other parts of the world, USA
included. Yes, Columbia uses Mexico as a path to the USA. They also
use Florida, and most of the Gulf Coast states to move their product
into our system. If drug mules were eliminated, the drug lords would
find some other method to get the product in. Heck, it would only
make a difference to the marginal distributor one who only needed to
move modest amounts of product anyway.



Drugs are also coming over land borders with Canada, and even by canoe
in a few places, according to an interesting news story I saw a couple
of years back. And, the Coast Guard has stated clearly that there's no
way they can track every single pleasure boat that crosses the Great
Lakes or the St. Lawrence River.





Which has nothing to do with the Mexican border,where the majority of
illegal entry into the US occurs.

You an Gammon are trying to twist the argument into something else.



if we talk about illegals, we need to talk about ALL illegals, not just
Mexicans, but those from Central and South America, Asia, Canada,
Eastern Europe, Africa.


Their numbers are not as great as the Mexicans,as they do not share borders
with the US(where they can just walk across),or like Canada,don't have a
great number of people WANTING to move here.I've read that 40% of Mexicans
want to move to the US;That is a HUGE number that we cannot assimilate.



We are merely pointing out that Mexican illegals are not our only
problem, and that drug smuggling by illegal Mexicans is a minor part of
the US drug supply and a minor portion of the Mexican illegals are
participating in this drug trafficing.



And we are pointing out that many of them commit other criminal acts once
having committed the FIRST criminal act of illegal entry.

your attempt at minimalizing the problems has failed.


Let let only those WITHOUT sin cast stones at others!!!

Never gotten a speeding ticket, never exceeded the speed limit, never
been involved in an auto accident (your fault or not does not matter),
never dropped a piece of paper/plastic on the street, a lawn or
sidewalk, never played your car radio or stereo/TV in your house loud
enough for others to hear

Some minor portion of the illegal entrants (yes it is against the law to
enter without permission) do participate in OTHER crimes once they are
here, or commit some OTHER crime while crossing the border on their way
to their ultimate destination (breaking and entering, theft, littering,
loitering, public intoxication, transport of illegal substances, driving
without a US drivers license, driving without liability insurance,
speeding)

Once they reach their destination and find work, the list gets MUCH shorter.

Mexicans are not our ONLY illegal immigrants. They are not our ONLY
illegal immigrants who commit other crimes once they reach our soil.
That they are the largest single group does not matter. All groups
seeking entry need EQUAL treatment under the law, Mexico, Guatemala,
Belize, Columbia, Venezula, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua....

Keep in mind that tens of thousands of Mexicans cross the border every
day, legally, and return home at night after a day of shopping in
Brownsville, Laredo, El Paso, San Diego.

Some take extended trips into the interior, I see Mexican license plates
on NICE cars here in the streets of Houston TX from time to time.