In article , "Joseph Meehan" wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "Joseph
Meehan" wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "Joseph
Meehan" wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
Robert Gammon wrote in
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Here here.. The VAST majority of immigrants, from whatever
country they come from, from whatever skin color they have,
whatever cultural, social, religious, or economic background
they come from, arrive in the USA full of HOPE, ready to Work,
to send money back home to help their families. They pay rent
(maybe sharing the rent with several others), buy food, buy
clothes (maybe used clothes), buy cars, buy gas, buy cellphones,
buy telephones, buy TVs.. In 30 years some of these become
WEALTHY CITIZENS!!

Oh,so if they break the law we should just ignore that?
Sorry,no.

We don't IF they break the law, any more than we ignore it if
you break the law.

Sorry, but that's _not_true_. Most persons arrested for misdemeanors
are
released on bond. The problem is that the illegal aliens have false
IDs.

And you know this how?

Figure it out for yourself -- you can't get a social security number
unless
you're a citizen or a legal immigrant.

I don't believe that is true.

OK, fine, you don't believe it, check it out for yourself.

You can't get a driver's
license
without an SSN.

That I know is not true today.

Guess again.

Therefore, if an illegal alien has a driver's
license, either
it was fraudulently obtained (through use of a false SSN) or it's
completely
phony altogether.

You also can't get a job, legally, unless you're a citizen or a legal
immigrant with a work visa -- no job equals no work ID either.

Maybe, but perhaps you are confusing the issue. Maybe the problem is
that law.

No, the problem is that we have a vast ocean of people pouring in here, with
no verification at all of who they are, or what they're going to do when they
get here. If they don't have a criminal history, and aren't going to be a
drain on society (i.e. get a legal job and pay taxes, instead of being on
welfare), let 'em come. But we have to know who they are before we can
determine that.


So what ID do they have?

How is it any different for an "illegal" alien (sounds like a
space show) to have a false ID as it would be for a US born criminal
to have a false ID?

The difference is that the illegal alien is more likely to have false
identification, because his very presence here is a crime that he
needs to
conceal. A native-born criminal still has the legal right to be
present in the
US, and has no particular need of false ID just to exist.

Take this another step. Why is the problem? It is because someone is a
immigrant who can is facing legal barriers but has never committed a crime
against another person or their property, or what is it.

You're still missing the point. Maybe the guy really hasn't ever committed a
crime -- but without positive identification of who's coming in, YOU DON'T
KNOW THAT.

If it is crimes against property and people, then you need to look at US
citizens who commit far more crime in this country that immigrants who have
not become citizens yet.

Again -- without reliable identification, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.



Release Jose on bond, and an hour later, he has a new false ID. Jose
is now
Carlos, and Jose disappears forever.

Release Doug on bond and an hour later he is now Frank.

No, because I have a house and cars in my name, credit cards, bank
accounts,
utilities, the whole nine yards -- in short, many years of an
established,
true identity, that I can't just walk away from. Definitely not true
of the
typical illegal alien.

Look at the US born criminals in this country and say that.

You have not provided evidence that undocumented immigrants with the
type of real crimes we worry about.

And you're not paying attention to what's going on around you. It must be nice
to live in such a sheltered world.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.